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		<title>By: Bat Boy journalism and Fox News.. &#124; The Velvet StraitJacket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bat Boy journalism and Fox News.. &#124; The Velvet StraitJacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I said in the blog,  &#8216;When does 2+2=4 become debatable? When it’s politics, stupid!&#8221; ,  Fox News adds 2+2 and comes up with 7. As if that wasn&#8217;t bad enough they get people to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I said in the blog,  &#8216;When does 2+2=4 become debatable? When it’s politics, stupid!&#8221; ,  Fox News adds 2+2 and comes up with 7. As if that wasn&#8217;t bad enough they get people to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: uselesslegs</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/when-does-224-become-debatable-when-its-politics-stupid/comment-page-1#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>uselesslegs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come it always seem that when a Democrat is in office (President) we&#039;re all unsafe and only a minority of people are true, patriotic Americans...

...And when a Republican is in office, it&#039;s the same mentality, but more civil?

I might add, it was the Republicans who championed the rights of slaves to be free and many other progressive stanced, corporate controlling mechanisms to the protest of the Democrats.

My...how times have changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How come it always seem that when a Democrat is in office (President) we&#8217;re all unsafe and only a minority of people are true, patriotic Americans&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;And when a Republican is in office, it&#8217;s the same mentality, but more civil?</p>
<p>I might add, it was the Republicans who championed the rights of slaves to be free and many other progressive stanced, corporate controlling mechanisms to the protest of the Democrats.</p>
<p>My&#8230;how times have changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Howey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/71701-79-percent-of-nra-members-believe-obama-will-outlaw-gun-sales

If these kooks keep this shit up, Congress and Obama will outlaw gun sales.

It&#039;s about time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/71701-79-percent-of-nra-members-believe-obama-will-outlaw-gun-sales" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/71701-79-percent-of-nra-members-believe-obama-will-outlaw-gun-sales</a></p>
<p>If these kooks keep this shit up, Congress and Obama will outlaw gun sales.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about time.</p>
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		<title>By: uselesslegs</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/when-does-224-become-debatable-when-its-politics-stupid/comment-page-1#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator>uselesslegs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, I meant New Hampshire, not Rhode Island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, I meant New Hampshire, not Rhode Island.</p>
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		<title>By: ekg</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/when-does-224-become-debatable-when-its-politics-stupid/comment-page-1#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>ekg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw Sam, do you know why they were bringing their guns? Because someone told them Obama was going to take them.. 

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/beck-and-nras-lapierre-warn-insidiou

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/16/obama-driving-surge-gun-sales-firearms-groups-say/

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/71701-79-percent-of-nra-members-believe-obama-will-outlaw-gun-sales


I don&#039;t see you mentioning that at all tho..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw Sam, do you know why they were bringing their guns? Because someone told them Obama was going to take them.. </p>
<p><a href="http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/beck-and-nras-lapierre-warn-insidiou" rel="nofollow">http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/beck-and-nras-lapierre-warn-insidiou</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/16/obama-driving-surge-gun-sales-firearms-groups-say/" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/16/obama-driving-surge-gun-sales-firearms-groups-say/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/71701-79-percent-of-nra-members-believe-obama-will-outlaw-gun-sales" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/71701-79-percent-of-nra-members-believe-obama-will-outlaw-gun-sales</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see you mentioning that at all tho..</p>
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		<title>By: ekg</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Did white people show up with guns to protest? Sure.&lt;/strong&gt;

then you weren&#039;t lied to..

and show me the unedited version of that news.. because a cpl days before that incident, in New Hampshire there&lt;em&gt; was a white man&lt;/em&gt; at another ally (pic&#039;s already been given).. were they talking about the New Hampshire person AND the dozen Arizona gun totters in combination?  you don&#039;t know do you? Why not? Because the clip is edited and spliced together to make something it&#039;s not.. 

Christ, just because I clip together 100 GWB clips and make him say&lt;em&gt; &quot;I&#039;m a homosexual who plays with dolls&quot;&lt;/em&gt; doesn&#039;t make it true.. and that&#039;s what your clip is doing...your clip &lt;em&gt;is the smear&lt;/em&gt; and using it a some kind of proof is dishonest..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Did white people show up with guns to protest? Sure.</strong></p>
<p>then you weren&#8217;t lied to..</p>
<p>and show me the unedited version of that news.. because a cpl days before that incident, in New Hampshire there<em> was a white man</em> at another ally (pic&#8217;s already been given).. were they talking about the New Hampshire person AND the dozen Arizona gun totters in combination?  you don&#8217;t know do you? Why not? Because the clip is edited and spliced together to make something it&#8217;s not.. </p>
<p>Christ, just because I clip together 100 GWB clips and make him say<em> &#8220;I&#8217;m a homosexual who plays with dolls&#8221;</em> doesn&#8217;t make it true.. and that&#8217;s what your clip is doing&#8230;your clip <em>is the smear</em> and using it a some kind of proof is dishonest..</p>
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		<title>By: Howey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh...considering the MSNBC video didn&#039;t show the man&#039;s face or anything...maybe the folks in the newsroom didn&#039;t know the guy was a black Teabagger?

If anything, it&#039;s a simple error on the newcaster&#039;s part, not another big conspiracy. 

But thanks for trying to play with the elites, Sam!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh&#8230;considering the MSNBC video didn&#8217;t show the man&#8217;s face or anything&#8230;maybe the folks in the newsroom didn&#8217;t know the guy was a black Teabagger?</p>
<p>If anything, it&#8217;s a simple error on the newcaster&#8217;s part, not another big conspiracy. </p>
<p>But thanks for trying to play with the elites, Sam!</p>
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		<title>By: uselesslegs</title>
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		<dc:creator>uselesslegs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy enough Sam.  There was a slant, I never said in my comments that Msnbc or others are devoid of such.  You&#039;d have to be blind to miss it.  

Which story would you like me to address?  The snippet of the guy in Rhode Island with a gun at a health gathering...or the story edited into the same clip addressing the multiple people at a health gathering in Arizona,
with guns, and one of those individuals is black?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy enough Sam.  There was a slant, I never said in my comments that Msnbc or others are devoid of such.  You&#8217;d have to be blind to miss it.  </p>
<p>Which story would you like me to address?  The snippet of the guy in Rhode Island with a gun at a health gathering&#8230;or the story edited into the same clip addressing the multiple people at a health gathering in Arizona,<br />
with guns, and one of those individuals is black?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSNBC didn&#039;t talk about a white man, and show a video of a black man (that conspicuously didn&#039;t show any skin) to make it appear that black man was white?

Did white people show up with guns to protest? Sure.

Was the guy in the MSNBC video a black man and refereed to as &quot;white people&quot;?

Absolutely.

I&#039;m not discussing if white people brought guns to rallies. That wasn&#039;t my point. The topic isn&#039;t racial issue and guns at protest, the topic is truth in reporting. 

I&#039;m proving a very specific example of where MSNBC was not exactly being honest and skewing the video to further their agenda.

The broader context of whites with guns at rallies is irrelevant to the question of if MSNBC was truthful in the presentation of the video. 

To me, Dan Rather style [the facts are real even if the report was a reprint] proves my point.

What&#039;s my point? MSNBC as a news organization has a bias and does in fact provide 2 + 2 = 5. 

The video I provided (context aside) is an example of purposeful smearing of facts.

I&#039;m not hear to debate with you. If you think what I posted wasn&#039;t real, there isn&#039;t much I can do about it.

That&#039;s all I got. I&#039;ll read your rebuttal (I&#039;m sure it&#039;s coming) and allow everyone to make their minds up from the information supplied.

In your rebuttal, hopefully you&#039;ll answer a few questions:

1. Does the MSNBC video ever imply that &quot;white people&quot; show up with guns and does it ever mention that a black man did too?

2. Did MSNBC ever disclose that the person shown in the video (from the protest) was black?

3. Why doesn&#039;t MSNBC show the complete person (skin color and all)

Thanks for your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSNBC didn&#8217;t talk about a white man, and show a video of a black man (that conspicuously didn&#8217;t show any skin) to make it appear that black man was white?</p>
<p>Did white people show up with guns to protest? Sure.</p>
<p>Was the guy in the MSNBC video a black man and refereed to as &#8220;white people&#8221;?</p>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not discussing if white people brought guns to rallies. That wasn&#8217;t my point. The topic isn&#8217;t racial issue and guns at protest, the topic is truth in reporting. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m proving a very specific example of where MSNBC was not exactly being honest and skewing the video to further their agenda.</p>
<p>The broader context of whites with guns at rallies is irrelevant to the question of if MSNBC was truthful in the presentation of the video. </p>
<p>To me, Dan Rather style [the facts are real even if the report was a reprint] proves my point.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s my point? MSNBC as a news organization has a bias and does in fact provide 2 + 2 = 5. </p>
<p>The video I provided (context aside) is an example of purposeful smearing of facts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not hear to debate with you. If you think what I posted wasn&#8217;t real, there isn&#8217;t much I can do about it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I got. I&#8217;ll read your rebuttal (I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s coming) and allow everyone to make their minds up from the information supplied.</p>
<p>In your rebuttal, hopefully you&#8217;ll answer a few questions:</p>
<p>1. Does the MSNBC video ever imply that &#8220;white people&#8221; show up with guns and does it ever mention that a black man did too?</p>
<p>2. Did MSNBC ever disclose that the person shown in the video (from the protest) was black?</p>
<p>3. Why doesn&#8217;t MSNBC show the complete person (skin color and all)</p>
<p>Thanks for your time.</p>
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		<title>By: ekg</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who are you saying made it all up? MSNBC or the AP


http://ktar.com/?sid=1200460&amp;nid=6

&lt;em&gt;Man carries assault rifle at Obama protest
by Associated Press (August 17th, 2009 @ 12:58pm)
PHOENIX - About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday - the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president. &lt;/em&gt;

seems like there &lt;em&gt;were&lt;/em&gt; people carrying guns.. maybe you just don&#039;t get the idea that reporting someone carrying a gun, when they are carrying a gun.. is true.. 

and I&#039;m reading the MSNBC headline on that youtube and it says&lt;strong&gt; MAN BRINGS ASSAULT RIFLE TO RALLY OUTSIDE PRESIDENT SPEECH&lt;/strong&gt;

did he?  uh yeah..

the accompanying story on black vs white is opinion, but the fact remains people did bring guns and a man did bring an assault gun..

so what apology do you want? you were told the truth.. 9 seconds into the video..

&quot;&lt;strong&gt;A man &lt;/strong&gt;at pro-health care reform rally...&quot;

not a &#039;black man&#039;.. 

the next &#039;spliced in&#039; &lt;em&gt;(btw, ironic that you&#039;re debating this using obviously edit for slant news, I know you did it on purpose to prove your point and you just hoped no one would notice, but I did)&lt;/em&gt; msnbc clip is talking about the fact that people showed up with guns.. which is backed by AP and the secret service.. and &lt;em&gt;then&lt;/em&gt; they talk about the race card..

 there were guns at some rallies.. and  whites were bringing them..

&lt;img class=&quot;alignnone&quot; src=&quot;http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/090-0813142824-William-Kostric2.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;256&quot; height=&quot;400&quot; /&gt;

and the President is black..

and since they didn&#039;t do it when the President was white.. the obvious Race question will be asked..

so nice try.. but you fail. you weren&#039;t lied to until you believed someone else&#039;s spliced,diced  and edited coverage </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who are you saying made it all up? MSNBC or the AP</p>
<p><a href="http://ktar.com/?sid=1200460&#038;nid=6" rel="nofollow">http://ktar.com/?sid=1200460&#038;nid=6</a></p>
<p><em>Man carries assault rifle at Obama protest<br />
by Associated Press (August 17th, 2009 @ 12:58pm)<br />
PHOENIX &#8211; About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday &#8211; the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president. </em></p>
<p>seems like there <em>were</em> people carrying guns.. maybe you just don&#8217;t get the idea that reporting someone carrying a gun, when they are carrying a gun.. is true.. </p>
<p>and I&#8217;m reading the MSNBC headline on that youtube and it says<strong> MAN BRINGS ASSAULT RIFLE TO RALLY OUTSIDE PRESIDENT SPEECH</strong></p>
<p>did he?  uh yeah..</p>
<p>the accompanying story on black vs white is opinion, but the fact remains people did bring guns and a man did bring an assault gun..</p>
<p>so what apology do you want? you were told the truth.. 9 seconds into the video..</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>A man </strong>at pro-health care reform rally&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>not a &#8216;black man&#8217;.. </p>
<p>the next &#8217;spliced in&#8217; <em>(btw, ironic that you&#8217;re debating this using obviously edit for slant news, I know you did it on purpose to prove your point and you just hoped no one would notice, but I did)</em> msnbc clip is talking about the fact that people showed up with guns.. which is backed by AP and the secret service.. and <em>then</em> they talk about the race card..</p>
<p> there were guns at some rallies.. and  whites were bringing them..</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/090-0813142824-William-Kostric2.jpg" alt="" width="256" height="400" /></p>
<p>and the President is black..</p>
<p>and since they didn&#8217;t do it when the President was white.. the obvious Race question will be asked..</p>
<p>so nice try.. but you fail. you weren&#8217;t lied to until you believed someone else&#8217;s spliced,diced  and edited coverage</p>
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