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		<title>By: Howey</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/the-special-powers-an-r-next-to-your-name-gives-you/comment-page-1#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Howey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lil mike Says: 
July 18th, 2009 at 12:06 am 
You are correct.

duh!</description>
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July 18th, 2009 at 12:06 am<br />
You are correct.</p>
<p>duh!</p>
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		<title>By: Why is it wrong or controversial for the President to add his own paragraph to an intelligence briefing? &#124; The Velvet StraitJacket</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/the-special-powers-an-r-next-to-your-name-gives-you/comment-page-1#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Why is it wrong or controversial for the President to add his own paragraph to an intelligence briefing? &#124; The Velvet StraitJacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ekg</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/the-special-powers-an-r-next-to-your-name-gives-you/comment-page-1#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>ekg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is too much to say for just a reply.. check the new blog..</description>
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		<title>By: lil mike</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/the-special-powers-an-r-next-to-your-name-gives-you/comment-page-1#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>lil mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct.

I went to that link and read it twice to make sure I knew what I was talking about and didn&#039;t catch that.  So apparently I didn&#039;t know what I was talking about.  Either I was drinking or tired or both.  So sorry.

That actually brings up an interesting question.  How was that paragraph inserted into a CIA report?  The report would either be online or in a binder.  Where would be the opportunity to edit it?  That opens a whole can of worms, but the actual paragraph, I don&#039;t find a lie or contraversal.  Do you?  How would that change anything?

I suppose on this news the program will be shut down immediately by the President!

Now, to Pelosi/Panetta, you said that this CIA operation that the Congress was not imformed of vindicates Pelosi.  I still don&#039;t understand how.  I think you are saying that because Pelosi says the CIA lies to Congress all the time, and then Panetta admits that Congress misled her, that she was cleared?  But the issue was her lies.  She told conflicting stories about what she was told and when she was told it.  Nothing Panetta said clears that.

As far as the counterterrorism program itself, where are you getting that it was aimed at AQ followers?  the latest CNN describes it as 

&quot;The program has been reported by some media outlets as missions to kill targeted terrorists. A U.S. official would not confirm the lethal nature of the effort, but did say it was aimed at al Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist organizations overseas that posed a direct threat to the United States.&quot;

Do you interpet that as followers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct.</p>
<p>I went to that link and read it twice to make sure I knew what I was talking about and didn&#8217;t catch that.  So apparently I didn&#8217;t know what I was talking about.  Either I was drinking or tired or both.  So sorry.</p>
<p>That actually brings up an interesting question.  How was that paragraph inserted into a CIA report?  The report would either be online or in a binder.  Where would be the opportunity to edit it?  That opens a whole can of worms, but the actual paragraph, I don&#8217;t find a lie or contraversal.  Do you?  How would that change anything?</p>
<p>I suppose on this news the program will be shut down immediately by the President!</p>
<p>Now, to Pelosi/Panetta, you said that this CIA operation that the Congress was not imformed of vindicates Pelosi.  I still don&#8217;t understand how.  I think you are saying that because Pelosi says the CIA lies to Congress all the time, and then Panetta admits that Congress misled her, that she was cleared?  But the issue was her lies.  She told conflicting stories about what she was told and when she was told it.  Nothing Panetta said clears that.</p>
<p>As far as the counterterrorism program itself, where are you getting that it was aimed at AQ followers?  the latest CNN describes it as </p>
<p>&#8220;The program has been reported by some media outlets as missions to kill targeted terrorists. A U.S. official would not confirm the lethal nature of the effort, but did say it was aimed at al Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist organizations overseas that posed a direct threat to the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you interpet that as followers?</p>
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		<title>By: ekg</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/the-special-powers-an-r-next-to-your-name-gives-you/comment-page-1#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>ekg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL... I didn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;call&lt;/em&gt; him that.. I said please play the “Mongo-dumb semantics” on &quot;Misled and Omitted&quot; vs &quot;Lied&quot;

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230; I didn&#8217;t <em>call</em> him that.. I said please play the “Mongo-dumb semantics” on &#8220;Misled and Omitted&#8221; vs &#8220;Lied&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://thevsj.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Howey</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/the-special-powers-an-r-next-to-your-name-gives-you/comment-page-1#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Howey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mongo-dumb semantics&quot;

Good God, Kelly. That&#039;s the meanest thing you ever said to LilMike!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mongo-dumb semantics&#8221;</p>
<p>Good God, Kelly. That&#8217;s the meanest thing you ever said to LilMike!</p>
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		<title>By: ekg</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/the-special-powers-an-r-next-to-your-name-gives-you/comment-page-1#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>ekg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now &lt;em&gt;I&#039;m&lt;/em&gt; accusing Panetta of lying??

HA

HAHA

HAAAHAAAAA

tell me what misleading and omitting facts means to you.. please please please play  Mongo-dumb semantics on this.. please


you read the link? .. you&#039;ll give me the benefit of the doubt?

&lt;em&gt;from&lt;/em&gt; the link..

&lt;strong&gt;The IG report said an unnamed White House official inserted a paragraph into the first threat assessment prepared by the CIA after the Sept. 11 attacks, which was used to justify the extraordinary intelligence measures.

The paragraph said that the &quot;individuals and organizations involved in global terrorism possessed the capability and intention to undertake further terrorist attacks within the United States,&quot; according to the report. It also said that the president should authorize the NSA to conduct the surveillance activities. &lt;/strong&gt;

Oh wait, you must have missed that huh..

Pelosi said she was misled and lied to.. Panetta said the CIA&#039;s policy is not to lie to congress.. unfortunately, he then went and said that since 2001 that is exactly what had been going on The CIA had been misleading Congress and flat out not telling them stuff..... How can you not acknowledge what he&#039;s admitted? seriously, it&#039;s like not acknowledging gravity at this point..

OH and it wasn&#039;t a plan to kill AQ leaders.. it was a plan to kill AQ &lt;em&gt;followers.&lt;/em&gt;. changes the game a little.. but still not enough to make Panetta wig out tho.. so I&#039;ll guess we&#039;ll  have to wait and see... while you just ignore it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now <em>I&#8217;m</em> accusing Panetta of lying??</p>
<p>HA</p>
<p>HAHA</p>
<p>HAAAHAAAAA</p>
<p>tell me what misleading and omitting facts means to you.. please please please play  Mongo-dumb semantics on this.. please</p>
<p>you read the link? .. you&#8217;ll give me the benefit of the doubt?</p>
<p><em>from</em> the link..</p>
<p><strong>The IG report said an unnamed White House official inserted a paragraph into the first threat assessment prepared by the CIA after the Sept. 11 attacks, which was used to justify the extraordinary intelligence measures.</p>
<p>The paragraph said that the &#8220;individuals and organizations involved in global terrorism possessed the capability and intention to undertake further terrorist attacks within the United States,&#8221; according to the report. It also said that the president should authorize the NSA to conduct the surveillance activities. </strong></p>
<p>Oh wait, you must have missed that huh..</p>
<p>Pelosi said she was misled and lied to.. Panetta said the CIA&#8217;s policy is not to lie to congress.. unfortunately, he then went and said that since 2001 that is exactly what had been going on The CIA had been misleading Congress and flat out not telling them stuff&#8230;.. How can you not acknowledge what he&#8217;s admitted? seriously, it&#8217;s like not acknowledging gravity at this point..</p>
<p>OH and it wasn&#8217;t a plan to kill AQ leaders.. it was a plan to kill AQ <em>followers.</em>. changes the game a little.. but still not enough to make Panetta wig out tho.. so I&#8217;ll guess we&#8217;ll  have to wait and see&#8230; while you just ignore it..</p>
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		<title>By: lil mike</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/the-special-powers-an-r-next-to-your-name-gives-you/comment-page-1#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>lil mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What twister game?  Yours?  You were trying to clear Pelosi of lying by accusing Panetta and the CIA of lying.  I would have been happy to let that story go (until the TV campaign ads next year) but you want to bring it up?  Ha!

As for the other charges, you are talking about, the Taliban prisoner killing?  The secret program that never got off the ground to kill AQ leaders?  Good thing Panetta shut that down!  Anyway I did mention those.

Or are you talking about this statement, &quot;A security briefing memo is constructed by the CIA after tireless hours of investigation and hard work. The memo isn’t as ‘threatening’ as someone in the White House wish it would be so this person adds their own threats to the security memo. That ‘addition’ is later quoted as the reason for  using illegal means to investigate citizens deemed ‘terrorist’ by the previous law enacted by the same administration..?&quot;

Your link had nothing to do with that.  I told you I checked your links.  Too bad too, because I would have liked to have read that story.  I will give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.  

Now why don&#039;t you address my contention that Pelosi&#039;s story is still a lie?  Show me where that killing terrorists program means Pelosi is a truth teller?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What twister game?  Yours?  You were trying to clear Pelosi of lying by accusing Panetta and the CIA of lying.  I would have been happy to let that story go (until the TV campaign ads next year) but you want to bring it up?  Ha!</p>
<p>As for the other charges, you are talking about, the Taliban prisoner killing?  The secret program that never got off the ground to kill AQ leaders?  Good thing Panetta shut that down!  Anyway I did mention those.</p>
<p>Or are you talking about this statement, &#8220;A security briefing memo is constructed by the CIA after tireless hours of investigation and hard work. The memo isn’t as ‘threatening’ as someone in the White House wish it would be so this person adds their own threats to the security memo. That ‘addition’ is later quoted as the reason for  using illegal means to investigate citizens deemed ‘terrorist’ by the previous law enacted by the same administration..?&#8221;</p>
<p>Your link had nothing to do with that.  I told you I checked your links.  Too bad too, because I would have liked to have read that story.  I will give you the benefit of the doubt on this one.  </p>
<p>Now why don&#8217;t you address my contention that Pelosi&#8217;s story is still a lie?  Show me where that killing terrorists program means Pelosi is a truth teller?</p>
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		<title>By: ekg</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/the-special-powers-an-r-next-to-your-name-gives-you/comment-page-1#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>ekg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is the 3rd day.. and your 2nd response and still nothing on the other charges.... 

and that twister game you just played, where you tried to explain that Pelosi saying the CIA lied, Panetta admitting the CIA lied.. means Pelsoi still lied... 

impressive...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the 3rd day.. and your 2nd response and still nothing on the other charges&#8230;. </p>
<p>and that twister game you just played, where you tried to explain that Pelosi saying the CIA lied, Panetta admitting the CIA lied.. means Pelsoi still lied&#8230; </p>
<p>impressive&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lil mike</title>
		<link>http://thevsj.com/the-special-powers-an-r-next-to-your-name-gives-you/comment-page-1#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>lil mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, it&#039;s good to see that Howey is still reading the board!

Secondly, how does Panetta, or the Dems on the Intelligence committee, saying that the CIA lied to Congress clear Pelosi?  The problem with Pelosi is that she gave contradictory statements about when she was told, and what she was told, about the CIA&#039;s interrogation program.

I don&#039;t know why you think I have to defend either Panetta or the CIA about lying to Congress.  That doesn&#039;t have anything to do with Pelosi&#039;s lying.  You seem to comparing apples and oranges, and you seem to be trying to give the CIA a partisan (Republican) caste.  It certianly isn&#039;t that.  As it&#039;s targeted leaking during the Bush administration shows, its no friend to the &#039;pubs.  

So, the CIA can lie to Congress 7 ways to Sunday, but that doesn&#039;t clear Pelosi of her lying.  I appreciate the effort you are taking to defend her though.  I don&#039;t know why, since if the Republicans make gains in the House in 2010 Pelosi will get a lot of the credit.  But keep kicking her name up and bringing up her confused statements, they will be in Republican TV ads next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, it&#8217;s good to see that Howey is still reading the board!</p>
<p>Secondly, how does Panetta, or the Dems on the Intelligence committee, saying that the CIA lied to Congress clear Pelosi?  The problem with Pelosi is that she gave contradictory statements about when she was told, and what she was told, about the CIA&#8217;s interrogation program.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why you think I have to defend either Panetta or the CIA about lying to Congress.  That doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with Pelosi&#8217;s lying.  You seem to comparing apples and oranges, and you seem to be trying to give the CIA a partisan (Republican) caste.  It certianly isn&#8217;t that.  As it&#8217;s targeted leaking during the Bush administration shows, its no friend to the &#8216;pubs.  </p>
<p>So, the CIA can lie to Congress 7 ways to Sunday, but that doesn&#8217;t clear Pelosi of her lying.  I appreciate the effort you are taking to defend her though.  I don&#8217;t know why, since if the Republicans make gains in the House in 2010 Pelosi will get a lot of the credit.  But keep kicking her name up and bringing up her confused statements, they will be in Republican TV ads next year.</p>
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