I’ve seen this president mocked and belittled for his ears.. not altogether unfair or unheard of (no pun intended) to mock the physical characteristics of a person.
I’ve seen him de-legitimized for his teleprompter usage… strange, considering most every other speech giver also uses a teleprompter, unless it’s Sarah Palin, she just uses her hand because she’ so environmentally friendly.
I’ve seen every criticism there is thrown at this man, some deserved, some over the top and some just plain stupid, hateful, bigoted and biased. Until today, I thought I’d seen it all.
(CNN) — President Obama’s speech on the gulf oil disaster may have gone over the heads of many in his audience, according to an analysis of the 18-minute talk released Wednesday.
Tuesday night’s speech from the Oval Office of the White House was written to a 9.8 grade level, said Paul J.J. Payack, president of Global Language Monitor. The Austin, Texas-based company analyzes and catalogues trends in word usage and word choice and their impact on culture.
Though the president used slightly less than four sentences per paragraph, his 19.8 words per sentence “added some difficulty for his target audience,” Payack said.
Well, there you have it folks.. the guy is aloof,uncaring, not up to par, unemotional and disconnected because he talked to the country like 10th graders.
Let’s just impeach the guy and get it over it with. Seriously people, if we’re going to take our criticism of the man to the point of “he talked smart to people” what the hell is there left to criticize him for?
What a sad, fucked up society we are when it comes down to finding fault with our leader, not because he can, but because he did have an educated and adult conversation with us. It’s no wonder so many in this country love the Sarah Palin’s of the world… It isn’t that we think she should talk like an idiot because we find it charming, it’s because we are idiots and want everything spoon-fed to us by mommy. If we have to think for ourselves.. well that’s just too much work! Gimme the guy who I can drink a beer with instead of the guy who can not only spell the word ‘Brewery’, but use it in a 19.8 word sentence.
Tea Party favorite Sharron Angle surpassed more than a dozen GOP candidates to become the Republican nominee
Tea Party favorite Nikki Haleynabbed a majority of votes in the South Carolina GOP gubernatorial primary..thanks to endorsements from the Tea Party in general, and Sarah Palinin particular.
Tea Party supporters also nabbed a victory in the contested runoff in Georgia, where former state representative Tom Graves defeated former state House member Lee Hawkinsin a special election for the U.S.
Carly Fiorina [California] defeated Rep. Tom Campbell and state Assemblyman Chuck DeVore in the race to challenge incumbent Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxerin November. Fiorina, as with Haley in South Carolina, received an unexpected endorsement from Palin even though DeVore has been supported by Tea Party groups.
Drudge calls it, Republican Women Dominate... No, it’s not ‘Republican woman’, the ‘GOP’ was running their own candidates in some of those races and they lost to .. “Sarah Palin’s Tea Party Women”.
At this point I don’t know whether to be encourage or discourage. It’s encouraging because some of these candidates are pretty outside the mainstream, so outside the mainstream that the people who chose them as the nominee are totally against they platform they are running on..Take for instance Sharron Angle will be running against Harry Reid. Angle is an anti-tax crusader and an uncompromising conservative. She favors abolishing the Departments of Education and Energy, phasing out Social Security and Medicare, and removing the United States from the United Nations. That doesn’t exactly match up with the ‘Keep your hands off my medicare’ and “Save Social Security” people who founded the Tea-Party in response to the Democrats health reform. It also does nothing for the talking heads and moderate constituency crying for bi-partisanship when they nominate an ‘uncompromising conservative’. As for wanting to abolish the Department of Education and Energy . Well that’s stupid no matter who you are, the extreme anti-tax rhetoric becoming a reality will take care of that because the Department of Education will close it’s doors anyway from lack of funding. Ok, so will State Department,Department of the Interior, EPA,FCC,FAA and pretty much everything else except for the Defense Department, but I don’t think that Tea-party crowd would mind that too much.
But then, who will police the MTV Movie awards and censor their use of the “F-word”? Who will people complain to when the President lowers the office to that of pond scum by using the horrible ‘ass’? Oh my !
It doesn’t matter, the Church will teach our children since the Department of Education is gone and MTV will become more of a gospel network anyway.
And that’s where we cross over into ‘discouraging’. It’s discouraging because some of these candidates are pretty outside the mainstream, so outside the mainstream that the people who chose them as the nominee are totally against they platform they are running on and either they don’t know this so they are still thinking that when they say… “Well, when I say I want fewer taxes I don’t mean I want my social security and medicare cut off, I mean I want other peoples welfare cut off” that will protect their government entitlements. They are so blinded in hate and confusion that they aren’t seeing clearly.. or worse, they don’t see it and cannot connect it because they are unable to think for themselves in a 1+1 manor.
Naivety or stupidity.. not great choices .
The Tea-Party wants lower taxes, even though they admit their taxes are within reason. They don’t want socialized medicine even though they want their medicare. They don’t want government subsidizing incomes even though they rely on their social security. Yeah, that’s why I’m discourage, these people don’t know what they want they just know things went a little bit crazy here a couple years ago, the stock market collapsed,the banking sector turned out to be thieves, the top echelon turned out to be overpaid with multimillion dollar bonuses for jobs like running 100 year old establishments into oblivion. Years of their ignorance forced the car companies to falter, the same years forced us to drill baby drill in deeper and deeper territories without caring about the consequences of cutting corners. The invention of derivatives that was born through de-regulation, created a global collapse that put some countries out of business. Things went crazy, and they had no where to turn in their blame. There ultra-partisan ideological world that was living out there couldn’t look to the Bush administration for blame, they had spent too many hours defending justified torture, illegal wire-taps looking for terrorists, accidental outings of undercover spies and their ‘covers’. They couldn’t just turn on that which they had allowed to flourish and spent countless hours forgiving and defending… This conflict ‘crashed’ their minds and they have had to shed all major programs in order to re-boot in ‘Safe Mode’. The inability to look at their creation over those 8 years and the damage it created, has them living in a ‘critical systems only’ world right now where logic and reason have been jettisoned in order to survive.
I’ve seen welfare recipients whose only search for a job is to peruse Monster.Com for 5 minutes every morning, slam socialized medicine and food stamps. Not for them mind you, but for those people who are lazy and refuse to get out there and look for a job.
There simply is no reason or logic in that.
When this is pointed out to them? Even better.. “well I paid into it”.. um, so? You are also out there saying no one should have to pay into it because you are also screaming for less taxes. If you get your ‘less taxes’, true you won’t have to pay into it, but you also won’t get it when you’re the one on your ass looking for someone to pick you up and dust you off.
Naivety or stupidity?.. you chose.
The party dujour, looks at the ‘no fly’ list and questions how a ‘terrorist’ can be missed and allowed on a plane because hey, it says right there this guy is dangerous, but they defend his right to buy a gun because it’s our god given right! Second Amendment FTW!
They want the freedom to walk about in their lives unmolested by government intrusion, but they also want the government checking the birth certificates of any ‘non-american-looking’, citizen or not, just to be sure they belong here.
They want the EPA to stay out of their business, but want government to wait around with oil-spill booms and equipment when the private sectors causes a catastrophe .
Most of all the government they want is one that gets it’s funding from leprechauns and not by taxing it’s citizens.
Naivety or stupidity?
The extremism they demand, when laid out before them, will cause some re-boot again after the critical system scan tells them everything checks out. Those few will join the rest of us who understand what the fundamentalist will do to this country if given the chance.
No government in our private sector, instead the extreme religion policing of what we do behind closed doors.
No government in our health care, instead religion telling us what we can and can’t do with our bodies.
No government interfering with the private sector regulations or doling out welfare to the undeserving , instead the Church will feed us and God will end greed since it’s one of the seven deadly sins.
No government in our schools, instead our kids will be educated by the church or in church funded public schools because that is all that is left.
No government opening up the monopoly conservative radio has on our airwaves and instead allowing the Church to decide what we see, hear, watch, read and download.
The world they will create, will no longer have Freedom of speech because we don’t like what all people say or Freedom of religion because some of them practice non-Christians faith.
The Tea-party was a creation of the GOP to take on the Democrats in the mid-term. The GOP is learning a hard lesson this morning, when they allow a monster to grow unchecked and even aided by a so called ‘News’ channel, that monsters grow so big it eats it’s own. Don’t fool yourself, the GOP is more afraid of this monster than any Democrat. They court the religious and the militia, but they do it for their money and not because they believe in them. Those in the GOP who are still asleep and feeding the monster will awake one day to a world that they never intended to create, they just wanted to beat that Muslim and those Hollywood liberals. What they will see when they do rise from their slumber is a country ruled by extremism and turning more and more into Europe, only not the ‘liberal,socialized’ Europe they fear but worse, the Europe of the dark ages where freedoms,safety,wealth and status were given only to the church and the monarchy and the rest of us, including those who slept for so long, are only here to make those bishops and kings lives more comfortable.. at the expense of our own.
Yes, this seems to be the year of the woman, the Sarah Palin,pit bull with lipstick woman. The Democrats have harbored their own fear of that woman, and by voicing it over and over and over ad nauseum created their own monster. No, not a more powerful Palin, that would be the more acceptable of the choices, because what’s been created now is not a single Palin but and army of them spreading through the country and running for seats in Government. And is you think a Muslim, Nazi, Kenyan is taking this country to extremes just wait until the neighborhood good ole christian busy body, Gladys Kravitz’s take over and decide how we live.
Mr Hayward [BP’s chief executive] reiterated a promise that BP “will honour all legitimate claims for business interruption”. Asked for examples of illegitimate claims, he said: “I could give you lots of examples. This is America — come on. We’re going to have lots of illegitimate claims. We all know that.”
Yes, and you are an oil executive who is responsible for one of the worst oil spills in US history so you are going to make illegitimate claims of safety… come on-we all know that.
What a smug reply from a person who should be on bent knee with head bowed in every interview he gives at the moment. Yes, this is America and your oil rig has just destroyed a large swath of it, so is this really the right time to start insulting it’s inhabitants? It would seem that not only is this the right time to insult the country their product just destroyed, but it’s also the time to threaten the president with the oh-so-subtle yet ballsy statement..
He urged the US Government to pursue a policy of “absolute co-operation” with BP. “We will only succeed if we work together,” he said — a day after President Obama’s press secretary promised that the White House would “keep a boot to the throat of BP” to ensure that it fulfilled its responsibilities.
Is that right? How about BP pledges “absolute co-operation” with the US Government. Wow, it’s the US Government who should cooperate with the ones whose oil is destroying our coastline.
What am I saying? Or what… HA! Or nothing. BP was ordered by the EPA to start using less of dispersant called Corexit 9500 because of it’s toxicity and to start using a more environmentally friendly one. There are quite a few others out there and besides, Corexit is banned in BP’s own country. It’s not just that this stuff is toxic to the oceans, workers at the Exxon Valdez clean-up reported “respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders, that were linked to an earlier version of the Corexit dispersant.” So the EPA gave BP 72 hours to switch to a less toxic product. BP said, ‘Umm.. no’ and still continues to use the highly toxic dispersant over a more effective and ecologically friendly one.
No, really. After being ordered by the US Government to stop using a chemical known to be less effective than the product recommended by the EPA and more toxic to ocean and humans… BP issued a statement saying in essence, “Up yours”
“Based on the information that is available today, BP continues to believe that Corexit was the best and most appropriate choice at the time when the incident occurred, and that Corexit remains the best option for subsea application.
Carville: “BP is not the equal of the United States government. This president needs to tell BP ‘I’m your daddy, I’m in charge, you’re going to do what we say. You’re a multinational company that is greedy and you may be guilty of criminal activity.’ It’s time that we understand, BP does not wish this thing well. They have been negligent. They need to whip out their checkbook and start moving into action and the president needs to push them.”
Yesterday we learned that in the hours before the explosion, there was ’skirmish’ between the BP ‘company man’ and the rig operators. Bp was ready to shut down that well because they were done with, but they were still paying $500,000 a day rental fees. When told of the process they had to go through to shut down the well, things got heated. Part of the process involved “removing the mud from the drill pipe. That mud is used to keep pressure down on any gas that might come out of the pipe. The question was how quickly you remove that mud safely to do that”. Time was money, the BP “company man” was interested in getting the process done a little faster than the rig operators wanted. This is not to say either, at that time, was more right than the other. As a lessor who is paying by the minute.. when you’re done, you’re done and you want your tab closed out as soon as possible, but when you’re the leasee, getting paid by the minute, you want that time to drag out. What we did know at that time was the BP man stood up, after hearing the procedures, and said “‘No. We have some changes to that.’ Going by the superiority complex we see today, this comment doesn’t surprise me. What does surprise me is that the oil rig acquiesced to BP’s demand. The excuse could be as simple as they knew where their paychecks and the helicopter ride home were coming from.
After the skirmish, Doug Brown, one of 115 rig workers, “recalled top Transocean man Jimmy Harrell saying,”
“Well, I guess that’s what we have those pinchers for.”
“Brown said he assumed Harrell was talking about the shear rams on the blowout preventer, the devices that are supposed to slice through a drill pipe in a last-ditch effort to close off the well in case of an emergency. The implication was that the Transocean employees expected they might have to take emergency action because of BP’s push to remove the drilling mud.”
BP has promised to pay for any and all damages, sure, along with putting themselves on the same importance level as this country, demanding our complete cooperation,ignoring our environmental standards, and insulting us by saying.. ya know, this is America, so there are going to be a lot of illegitimate claims, and that looks to be a breeze.
Ironically, there seems to be a lot of those illegitimate claims going around and they’re coming from BP. One of the most frustrating aspects of this entire debacle is the crazed policy of allowing BP to not only do all the clean up, but letting them decide what information is given out, what photos are seen, what reporters have access and to where and the exclusion of experts that aren’t BP people.. Jean-Michel Cousteau, Jacques Cousteau’s son was denied entrance in the the “Land of BP” because BP also controls the air over the spill and Cousteau had an aerial photographer with him. Reporters from Mother Jones tell of their experience of being blocked and then yelled at to get approval and an escort from BP. While you may say “Well, ok it’s Mother Jones, it’s not like it was CBS or anything”, think again. CBS was barred from the scene by the Coast guard telling them “This is BP’s rules, not ours”
It’s not just the air, land,sea and press BP has control and say so over, they are in charge of the water testings done in any of the Gulf states. An environmental official for Escambia County, Florida was ordered to send water samples to a lab in Texas whose biggest clients are BP.Is this not the craziest thing you’ve ever seen? Oh yeah, you aren’t seeing it because everything you are seeing has been cleaned and filtered through BP first.
But hey, they are going to pay for the damages and really, they’ve been straight with us so far. When they first said it was only 1000 barrels a day, when it was really 5000 barrels that was just another unintentional mistake. It’s not like they have an incentive to have anything other than complete transparency here. It’s not as if there is something called a Natural Resources Damage Assessment that’s done after a spill and relates to how many claims can be placed and how much is paid out. Of course the lower the spill the lower the payout, but hey BP promised to pay for all of it, they wouldn’t low-ball spill amounts. If you don’t count the complete ban on information or the repeated readjustment of the oil spill amount, then today’s news is really nothing to be concerned with either and you can go back to the “Land of BP”. For the rest of us, today Government scientist have finally be able to verify that it’s not 5000 barrels like we’ve been told repeatedly by BP, it’s worse.. much much worse..
government scientists said Thursday that the undersea gusher was spewing oil at a rate of 12,000 to 19,000 barrels a day, more than twice the 5,000-barrel estimate given by BP.
To put this into perspective
That would mean 260,000 to 520,000 barrels had been leaked as of 10 days ago. The Exxon Valdez leaked about 250,000 barrels into Alaska’s Prince William Sound in 1989.
10 days ago we surpassed the Exxon Valdez and it’s still not over.
From day one BP has insulted the people in this country, demanded cooperation from our government, taken over operations and barred the press,independent scientists,volunteers and experts from the scene and the data. They have knowingly misjudged the amount of flow by repeatedly low-balling the numbers and have told their own media outlets in Britain after the explosion and the death of 11 men that the leak is “relatively tiny” compared with the “very big ocean.”
Yesterday, Lt.Gen Russel Honoré, who commanded the military response to Hurricane Katrina, had this to say(emphasis mine)
(CNN) — It’s interesting how many people have swallowed the BP public relations’ bait to call the explosion from Deepwater Horizon oil rig the Gulf oil spill. We need to call it what it is: the BP oil spill. The federal government needs to take control and take punitive action against BP and any negligent government regulators immediately.
As a concerned citizen, preparedness speaker and author, and former commander of federal troops in disaster response, I watched with interest as BP brought out its big PR guns to protect its brand and its platoon of expert engineers, paid by BP to talk about how it happened and how they intended to fix it.
BP’s reaction was much like Toyota’s when it was confronted with safety issues. It, too, focused on PR to protect its brand, versus telling the truth, and sent out its engineers to talk about the problem and the fix.
The U.S. Coast Guard was the first responder. The Coast Guard’s priority always is to save lives. They spent days looking for the 11 missing men. Meanwhile, BP took advantage of this time to make itself the authoritative voice in the news about the spill and blame other companies.
The U.S. government response was based on laws and rules that were created after the Exxon Valdez oil spill. After Valdez, the law changed to make the offending company responsible for the cleanup. A fund was created that all oil companies contributed to. If there was an emergency oil spill, a company could draw up to $75 million from this fund to fix the problem. But the fund was meant to help small wildcat operations, not huge conglomerates like BP.
Sticking to that regulation was part of the problem. The No. 1 rule when dealing with disaster is to figure out which rules you need to break. Rules are designed for when everything is working. A democracy is based on trust. BP has proved it can’t be trusted.
The government needs to change the game and make this a punitive effort. The government has been too friendly to oil companies.
The government should immediately freeze BP’s assets and start to charge the corporation — say $100 million — each day the oil flows. The money could be held in a fund that U.S. government draws on to take care of the people along the Gulf Coast and pay the states for doing the cleanup.
Next, BP and the government bureaucrats who broke a law and put the public at risk need to go to jail.
Gen Honore’… James Carville… they’re right. It’s time we stop letting the fox clean up the hen house and tell the farmer he’s just as important as the farmer is. It’s time for President Obama to take over this mess and start the punitive effects. While he says the government is in charge, everything we’re seeing contradicts that the government has done anything except give complete trust in BP and their actions. I know we will hear nothing but outrage that here is another industry Obama is socializing, but for right now those people can go pound sand and watch Palin and Beck re-runs. They don’t offer anything to the conversation as it is, so let them sit on their couch in their foil-hats crying about how they want their country back. No one with a brain can watch the Anderson Cooper piece from last night and not see that this has gone far too long enough. BP, private industry, you were once again given a chance to police yourself, prevent catastrophe and clean up the mess you made, and once again you have failed. Once again it is us, the people of this country who will suffer from your destruction and it’s our government who has to step in where they are rightly loathed to step in, an act like the adult and fix your mistake. We would demand a thank you, but we’ll be too busy arguing with the lunatic fringe who will be having more apoplectic fits that this is just more proof that this president is a Muslim,Nazi,Socialist.
Here is what is wrong with Fox and it’s bat crap-crazy base and why Liberals and their ‘media’ will always be better.
After 9/11 there was a theory floating around that it wasn’t the planes that brought the towers down, but instead it was an inside job hatched out by George Bush,Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. They knew the attack was coming, which is why President Bush was out of the White House and why many others in charge were also out of harms way. They knew the planes wouldn’t be able to do more than burn a few floors but they wanted something spectacular.. a ’shock and awe’ if you will, so they had a demolition team rig the towers to implode and fall. For proof, 9/11 truthers point to WTC build 7.
The reason behind all this was to give Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld a reason to enact the Patriot Act and other Constitutional rights-ending laws and to take us back to Iraq so President Bush could either finish the job his dad left unfinished, or to get vengeance on the man who tried to kill his daddy. Personally I feel if it was the latter then a secret hit squad would have been used instead, but the former doesn’t make any sense either unless you consider he and his dad had such a crappy relationship that he wanted to ‘best’ his father by actually deposing Saddam and brining freedom to the area. Plausible sure, but the idea that he’d destroy New York city to do it? Crazy.. I know. I’m not saying it’s not crazy. In fact, even in the face of some pretty convincing information, it’s still crazy talk. Sure, some of those question raised should be answered, but the idea that any president would not just allow an attack on the country to take place, but help the death and destruction along to prove he’s better than his daddy is just cuckoo . I’m more willing to say it was to bilk billions out of the governement for war contracts.. but that’s just another part of this crazy conspiracy.
While the Right has it’s ultra-conservative in Ann Coulter (did you just feel that? it felt like a ghost walked over my grave).. the Left has it’s own ultra-wing in Bill Maher. To me, he’s the liberal liberal. I don’t dislike him, in fact I think his show should be a must see for both sides because even though he’s a liberal’s liberal, you can’t deny his facts. Anyway, like Coulter (there’s that ‘ghost walking on my grave; feeling again) Maher has a few ‘fringe’ leanings so to me, this 9/11 truther stuff would be right up his ally and yet..
even he doesn’t buy into the ‘crazy’. It’s not like he was a fan of George Bush, that would be like saying Coulter secretly yearns to have Jeremiah Wright’s love child. No, Maher just knows crazy-talk when he hears it and as a comedian, a ‘social commentator‘ who could discuss the theory in jest while at the same time lending it credibility, Maher doesn’t. But,instead of just ignoring it, he goes after it. When brought onto his show, he even attacks it and tosses it out
That’s right, don’t be gentle with him.. ass-kicking is what’s called for. Why? Because this kind of shit is simply crazy talk that even Bush-bashing, Peta member,Prius driving,arugula eating, ultra liberals find it too insane to put out there. Maher was not the only ultra-liberal, Noam Chomsky and Matt Tiabbi of Rolling Stone also called it crazy. Ok, Taibbi called it clinically insane..but the point is, the liberal world said “whooaa, are you fucking crazy?” to people promoting such an extremist idea. So what does it say when the highest rated, so called ‘News’ network who aren’t invaded by people spreading the crazy, but actually have them on voluntarily, put the crazy out there and say nothing against it?
And I would not be surprised if the White House said, you know, we might be able to, guess what, do what? Use this crisis to our advantage. Let this crisis get really bad, and then we will step in. We will be able to shut down offshore drilling. We will be able to turn to all these alternate fuels.-MICHAEL BROWN, FORMER FEMA DIRECTOR on NEIL CAVUTO
How did Cavuto respond? Did the “Fair and Balanced” network respond to crazy the same way Bill Maher did and throw it off the set?
...And I would not be surprised if the White House said, you know, we might be able to, guess what, do what? Use this crisis to our advantage. Let this crisis get really bad, and then we will step in. We will be able to shut down offshore drilling. We will be able to turn to all these alternate fuels.
And I think the problem they have right now is, they waited too long.
CAVUTO: So, by constantly referring to this as the BP still, the BP leak, the BP disaster, that there’s a method to that, right?
BROWN: Oh, absolutely.
That’s right sports fans.. nothing. Not a thing. The idea that any president would allow a catastrophe that will affect generations of American to just happen so that he can get his agenda through is the kind of talk you will only see shut down by the liberal .. what do they call it.. ‘lame stream media’. Conservative media on the other hand,will not only put the crazy out there, but they’ll leave it there unquestioned to fester and spread throughout the masses. Don’t kid yourself, it’s out there and it’s spreading. Today, Poltico.com reported that White House Press secretary ‘gave it to’ Fox news for allowing this crazy on their airwaves, after reading the story and watching the video of Gibbs
I took a gander at the comments..
-If bumbling Bobby screams, it’s not so, then we have to watch FOX because we know it”s true.
-I wouldn’t put anything past this regime.With the elections coming this fall and the possibility of a major loss, everything is on the table and everything is political.
-Whatsa matter Goebbels -I mean Gibbs- does the truth hurt? Obama’s incompetence is stunning. Heckuvajob Obama!
-That’s not so far fetched. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least. Maybe that’s why he got so mad. ‘thou doth protest too much’ This administration is in bed with the environmental wackos who in turn are in bed with eco terrorists. Makes sense to me.
-LMAO … “Baghdad Bob” Gibbs is one of those who unfairly targeted George Bush for the Katrina ‘errors’ that were really the fault of the inept Mayor of N.O and the Democrat Gov. or LA. Sorry about the oil tragedy, but watching Gibbs whine like a stuck pig is another example of, WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND!
yep, Cavuto sure played to his base didn’t he?( Never mind the fact that as a “News” channel, it shouldn’t have a base.) This goes on for 200+ consecutive replies. No rebuttal and no sanity it’s just a giant orgy of crazy hate.
My favorite of course is the “what goes around comes around” argument because that has been the feeling since election night. I’ve said it before, there is a section of the population that thought immediately after learning they had a new President, “Let’s see how you like it”. From that moment on they have stood in opposition of everything, while complaining about things that don’t have any basis in reality. “What goes around!” is the underlying motto behind every single attack against this President. The funny thing is, this President is a lot more “George Bush” than liberals expected and is a lot more passive and conservative than they’d hoped. Had the raving loons at Fox news and those out there living by the “Let’s see how you like it” agenda only argued valid points on policy instead of birth certificates,teleprompters,czars and socialism.. there would have had more liberals in their corner than they’d know what to do with. Instead, the fringe right has taken over the conservative media and the nations attention. It’s not that a majority of the nation believes in what the fringe is spouting, it’s more of a .. you can’t look away from the horror of that car accident.. type problem. But lost in this shuffle are the moderates who by their silence give their consent. Well that’s their problem to work out. John McCain has found a way, and that’s to go back on everything he’s ever done just to prove his purity. Other GOP members are throwing their own personal relationships out the window for proof of purity and party loyalty, and they are to admitting it. Like I said, the bridges they are burning are their own problems to fix when the attention shifts away from the crazy. For now, the ‘tin-foil hats’ have taken over and while you would expect a politician to go whichever way will get him elected, for a so called “News” channel to once again wear theirs proudly, truly is the downfall of journalism. Especially when the only place real people are left to get real news is from the real comedians.
Arizona’s bill orders immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times and requires police to question people if there’s reason to suspect they’re in the United States illegally. It also targets those who hire illegal immigrant day laborers or knowingly transport them
Taking your country back is turning it into a country where we have to carry our ‘papers’? Holy shit! Health Care makes us communist but copying something that was ‘normal’ on the other side of the Berlin wall is just good policy? Are you kidding me? This is less government? Allowing law enforcement, at their discretion, to pull over the ‘dark skinned’ people and ask them for their papers that are now mandatory for them to carry? That’s the idea behind ‘less government’? No wonder these people love George Bush. Not only do they want entitlements just for them, but they want to live in a police state where the government can tap your phones,read your emails,search your homes without warrants,hold you without legal representation and now stop you just to force you to produce your ‘papers’ at their leisure . Oh an tell you what you can and can’t do in the privacy of your own bedroom AND doctor’s office. But Oh my God, let people pay for their own healthcare in an affordable way and well.. this country is just getting away from the ideals of the Forefathers and we need to get our country back!
On the heels of the Arizona initiative, Hethmon said he has been approached by lawmakers from four other states who have asked for advice on how they can do the same thing where they live. He declined to identify the states, citing attorney-client privilege
4 other states want to do this?
I’ll ask it again, what country is it exactly that these people want to live in? Because it sure isn’t the one with a greeter who says to all who enter.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
‘With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
“Show me your papers.”
This is insanity people. This is NOT American. I don’t care how much you hate immigrants, killing your country to try stop the unstoppable is ludicrous.. and I don’t mean the rapper.
A new poll on just who are Tea Party members has me perplexed. I simply cannot wrap my head around some of its findings. Ok, so they are older,whiter and more educated making them more ‘exclusive’ than average and yet, they mock this ‘class’ as being.. bad, evil or… liberal? A majority also feel that their taxes are pretty fair, yet their given name congers up the idea of a movement that is upset by their extreme taxes?
They are against large government and government spending but the majority have a favorable opinion of George Bush? Given that Bush created one of the largest government spending entitlements in history and his push to make government above the Constitution when it comes to personal rights, this is paradoxical until you look into the poll a little more. They are overwhelmingly satisfied with Medicare and Social Security and find them worth the cost. What they don’t like is ‘welfare’. Ya know, that other government spending for ‘those’ people. They feel that this President is trying to help the poor rather than the rich.
and a feeling that their opinions are not represented in Washington
So let me get this straight. They want government entitlements like Social Security for them, but they don’t want unemployment benefits and ‘welfare’ to others. They want government stability for their government health care and favor the president who increased these benefits, but they are dissatisfied with the president who increases those same benefits for the entire country. They watched an uncontested,democratically elected President follow the platform that elected him with a 53% majority and yet they feel they are the ones who should be listened to in Washington, not those other people who won the election.
I finally get it. I’ve always figured it was this, but could just never prove it, but now.. by their own words there it is. I said it before, this is ‘class’ issue. These people are the elitists who are jealous that someone else is finally going to get something that they have. It’s a status thing, it’s a ‘new fur coat’ that now that everyone has access to one.. well that’s just horrible and Un-American. This poll explains the ‘literacy test’ they cheer for, and the need to weed one those not in their circles with extreme pricing at their conventions
The snobbery this conjures up is breathtaking. All for them, less for the rest. Give us what we want, but to hell with the rest of you. Don’t touch my Medicare and Social security but you get your welfare from the free market instead of the government. Holy shit, these are educated people? Give us a President like Bush who increased our benefits,paid off our Wall Street, saved our pensions and lowered our taxes at a cost to the deficit.. but get rid of the guy who is trying to even the playing field out just a little for 95% of the rest of the country. The elitism and outright “I’m better than you so I deserve it more” is utterly amazing!
It does explain how the Tea-Party organizers can charge $549 just for the ticket to get into the convention hall ( travel and hotel expenses not included) though.
One would question their education when they say they deserve social security and medicare because they paid into it. Especially since the rest of us know it doesn’t work like that, when these people paid into it they were paying for those who are on the system then, just like we’re paying for all these tea-party people now. Too bad they want to ensure we don’t get what we ‘deserve’ when it’s time because we paid into it now to keep them in luxury and they refuse to allow anyone to fix what could extend benefits for more and for longer.
Shockingly, 6 out of 10 feel America’s best days are behind us. Where is Sean Hannity condemning these people for not thinking their country is the best one in the world? Where is Sarah Palin eviscerating these people and telling them that unlike them, the “real America” knows how great this country is? Oh yeah, they’re both being paid to speak for the Tea-Party. $100,000 for Sarah for her speeches.. who knows with Hannity, the only thing we do know is his tea-party event was shut down by Fox Management when they found out someone was charging people to come to Hannity’s live broadcast and then turning that money over to a political movement. (Btw, what do you think would happen if Brian Williams wrote a politically partsian book and pimped it on the Nightly News every night and then went to DNC rallies to sell his book and give extremely partisan speeches to the crowds?–Yeah, he’d be fired and all credibility revoked. )
There is atleast hope, one woman finally saw the idiocy in what she was supporting and had a change of heart.
“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”
If you mean the original Tea Party and followers were trying to get away from the aristocracy who felt they deserved what they were getting and the rest didn’t, and here the new Tea-Party believes they are the aristocracy who are entitled to what they have while others are not, then Yes Mrs. White.. it is a conundrum. Not too mention lunacy.
When it comes to ‘them’ they are happy with the way things are. When it comes to those others getting a leg up, at no cost to themselves mind you, they are against it. They want to cut government, just not the government that benefits them. Elitists much people?
Like I said in the blog, ‘When does 2+2=4 become debatable? When it’s politics, stupid!” , Fox News adds 2+2 and comes up with 7. As if that wasn’t bad enough they get people to believe them instead truth and facts. They even pull the ‘Hey, we’ve researched’ it card to back up whatever claim they are making. Obviously if they’ve researched it and they are this adamant that their information is correct, then they should be believed… right?
After Senator Coburn told a town hall meeting not to believe what they hear on Fox News, Bill-O decided he was going to take it upon himself to research his station and find out just when it was that anyone on Fox News said that under “ObamaCare” you would go to jail if you didn’t get health insurance.
O’Reilly: Well, tell me, what — because it doesn’t happen here.
And we researched to find out if anybody on Fox News
had ever said you’re going to jail if you don’t buy health insurance.
Nobody’s ever said it.
Well there you go, that solves it. This rumor was nothing more than another attempt of the “Lame stream media” to attack the honest hardworking fact checkers at Fox News, they researched this problem and found it to be an utterly false accusation.
except..
Beck: But if you don’t play by their new rules on health care, oooh, here’s a new little twist. Have you heard this? You’re going to be looking at a fun little stint in jail.
and
… But if you don’t play ball with them now, if you don’t get into their government health care, there will be jail time. And that of course was
Glenn Beck told his audience on Nov. 12, 2009 that they would go to jail. The next day on O’reilly’s own show, Beck was a a guest and repeated the same claim.
BECK: You know, this is the first time in history in our country where, just to be a citizen, just to not go to jail, you have to buy something.
This doesn’t include the Hannity shows and guests he’s had on who echoed same statements.
If you just happen to be walking by the TV and the sound was off, you still got the news from Fox when they said at the bottom of the screen “Comply or go to jail.”
In a strange twist, a member of the Fox News team admits this was a falsehood spread by Fox News. Neil Cavuto has owned up to the myth Sen. Coburn was talking about.
“I’ve
researched this, and a
number of Fox
personalities had made that comment.”
Cavuto mentioned this fact the day after the O’reilly/Coburn interview, and even then O’reilly again went on his and insisted that Sen. Coburn “didn’t really have his facts in line,” when it came to saying Fox News perpetuated the jail time myth.
2+2=7
If you are a viewer of Fox News of course you see that this is all just Lame Stream Media attack and spin, how in the hell could you see anything else? To you, Fox is just trying to keep the record straight and they are really having a hard time being the only name in news to give the “fair” and the “balanced”. The problem is, Fox news operates in another reality where they make up the facts and the research to back them up. This is not the same as MSNBC spending night after night attacking Sarah Palin for using RNC donations for her clothes, her not returning the money for the ‘bridge to no where’ but spending it instead, or her pimping for the Tea-Party Express which turns out not to be a grass-roots movement but a Republican Political Action Committee movement made up to fool real tea-partymembers into donating more money. All of that is real, researched truth, which is the opposite of what you get when you turn to Fox News.
Look, if people want to believe in leprechauns and unicorns they can, there is nothing wrong with that. Thought and fantasy are still free in this world even if saying them out loud isn’t in some places. But for a “News” network to be considered ‘fair’ or ‘balanced’ or ‘trusted’ or hell, ‘news’ they have to follow the same rules as the others. If they want to only report on the other sides scandals and misdeeds to make them out to be the party not to be trusted, so be it! If they want to only report on their sides altruistic ideals and actions to make them seem like better party ok. They can’t claim ‘fair’ or ‘balanced’ but ok, have at it. But they cannot just make stuff up and repeatedly get away with it. Not if their goal is News. If their goal is money, your money..as much of it as they can get, then hell Bat Boy journalism for everyone ! But stop labeling the product incorrectly.
This network has pretty much reduced themselves to, “Bat boy journalism” yet they demand to be treated like real journalism and will cry like scorned little girls the minute they aren’t taken as seriously as a Walter Cronkite-like news organization. Unfortunately for those of us who chose not to believe in unicorns and Bat Boy, we are forced to defend that which is slanted, but true because that slanted journalism is the excuse for the fake or made up journalism. The problem then becomes that we inspire more slant instead of more neutral.
If we didn’t have to live through the consequences of Bat Boy journalism and the voting populists I’d say let them have their sensational stories because like any Jerry Springer episode, they can be good for a laugh. It’s when we would have to suffer through the choices of the ‘believers’ that we get not just Jerry Springer on TV, but Jerry Springer in the White House that it becomes a detriment to all.
I’m not knocking Springer, but I don’t want this country governed by those who believe his show is on the same level of journalism as a slanted, but accurate, Rachael Maddow.
There was another interesting conversation on muchedumbre.com the other day. It started when a poster accidentally slipped into the politikal section, a section usually avoided by most because it’s a cesspool of insults,misinformation and retardation (which I say with love in my heart since I am swimming around in that cesspool with the rest of them). Upon realizing his error, he looked around and said..
“Yeah, I don’t understand how to play here yet.”
This was met with the humorous , yet essential, advice of…
You have to throw in the occassional [sic] Fuck Off! and then I think you’ll have it..
Anyone who is part of a community like ours, may find the words crude, but they know the advice is integral. It doesn’t matter how civil a debate starts, when two opposing figures meet, if one is bound by political party doctrine to ‘deny at all cost’, to live the motto of‘just say Hell No!’ it doesn’t matter if the other figure is is bound by the same codes as Tibetan Monks, there’s going to eventually be a ‘fuck you’ thrown into the debate.
It was this ‘field guide’ that brought about an insightful reply from Chuck, and I put it here because of the debate it produced. It is probably the most childish,ridiculous and asinine debate ever held by adults, but once again.. when the party of ‘Hell NO!” meets anyone saying “uh, yes” intelligence, logic, and reason is soon lost as you will soon see.
Maybe I can explain it a little bit with some other happenings around the U.S. Though they may seem very direct and to the point and not as “left to interpretation”…well…let’s start.
Item One.
Recently Scott Brown, newly elected Senator from Mass, has said and suggested that MSNBC host Rachael Maddow is going to run against him during reelections. Through sources on his end, he’s said that she’s “secretly” gathering up steam and will file and run. Maddow has stated on her show she is not running, has no intention of it.
End of story right? Nopey.
Scott Brown was asked on a radio show, following Maddow’s statement, what he thought of her statement that she wasn’t going to run. He replied, without ever saying, “well, I guess that changes things, har har”, and instead replied, “mumble mumble….bring it on.” Implying that he still believed she was indeed going to run and that he was ready for her.
Next Maddow, with her own money, took out a front page ad (in the area of interests) newspaper calling Scott Brown a liar and that she was definitely, emphatically, not running. She had/has no desire to run and that this was getting silly and to quit saying or implying she was running and using her name to collect campaign donations from individuals, with a lie.
His reply? He said her front page newspaper statement looked like it came straight from one of the writers at the DNC and that he thought Maddow would make an interesting candidate. Thus never admitting that he (Mr. Brown) was in error and making sure to twice “imply” through his choice of words, that Ms. Maddow was and STILL IS a candidate.
Item two.
Nine members of a Michigan Militia group were arrested and charged with plotting to kill a law enforcement officer and then many others with homemade bombs, in hopes of starting an uprising against the Government…oh and to battle with the anti-christ.
You would think across the Blogosphere and forums alike, we’d see the individuals involved being denounced…but not so fast mister fancy pants…they’re being defended. Not by seemingly other milita groups or like minded individuals…but rather…by individuals who are making sure to note that anything this current Government/Administration does is to be suspect and dubious.
You’d think something like this would be pretty cut and dry. Wanna kill law enforcement officers, check. Wanna kill many more people with homemade bombs, check. Wanna be prepared and kill the anti-christ, check. What is our governments REAL agenda here, che…what?
What you will find, in your journey here, will be two sides to the same coin, almost constantly at odds. Oft times from political stances. Oft times from personal interpretations…or both.
It’s the only place in the universe where 2+2 is debatable.
Welcome aboard, you poor fucker.
More than just being explanatory of today’s political world and how truth is ignored for rhetoric and whatever can incite the masses against any opposition, one part of that sticks out as so true it’s scary.
It’s the only place in the universe where 2+2 is debatable.
You would think adults all across the political spectrum could agree on that elementary concept, but they don’t. Because one side of the political spectrum has made it their goal for at least 4 years, to oppose anything coming from the current administration, 2+2 does not equal 4 if this administration or anyone speaking in favor of this administration is the one saying it. The Maddow/Brown debate is a perfect instances in a long, long list of other equally amazing 2+2 does not equal 4 examples. The fact that Ms. Maddow has said on her show, said in interviews, taken out a full page add to alert the world of the simple fact that unequivocally and emphatically she is not running against Scott Brown doesn’t matter to the party of “Hell NO!” because to them, 2+2 is not 4 and it is Scott Brown’s 2+2=3 equation that is the fundamental truth here.
The argument that this ‘2+2=4′ statement caused, ended up twisting logic until it no longer resembled its former self. Some where along the way ‘fact’ became, and is now, interchangeable with opinion,rumor and gossip.
Here’s an example
Keith Olbermann is biased and does slant opinions against the Right. But that does not mean he is making the news up and reporting his ‘rumor’ as fact. He may not focus on an issue like when a Democrat is caught having an affair with his mistress but he will spend 1/2 his show telling you about a Republican getting caught having an affair with his chief of staffs wife. Slanted, yes! but it is still based on the fact that the Republican did sleep with his chief of staffs wife. That nugget is truthful and not an opinion to be batted around until it becomes a truth in the eyes of the viewers[insert Obama not of US birth] . Keith Olbermann, no matter how biased he is, is still telling you the truth when he’s telling you the Republican slept with his COS wife.
2+2=4
This goes unnoticed because those who want to de-legitimize everything even remotely ‘Left’, stick to their guns with the idea that since Olbermann is truthful in his bias , then so is Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck who made the opinionated allegation, without a basis in fact, that this President was an white-hating racist, is telling the truth and is delivering a fact because Olbermann reported more on the Republican than he did the Democrat. What’s worse, Beck has spent so much time repeating this concept that it’s believed by 31% of those polled. They can’t differentiate the difference in a “liberal news show’ talking more about a factual Republican scandal is not on the same untruthful level as another show presenting their opinions as facts until they become believed as the almighty truth. It is a ‘tit for tat’ that they just don’t get. Sure the Liberals and Democrats opposed George Bush, but when you look at why it’s not like they were wrong for opposing him. The US just does not torture or we just don’t preemptively invade countries.. These are real,honest,valid and acceptable differences to have. Not liking the amount of time President Obama uses a teleprompter is just as valid of a complaint, saying he is therefore unable to run the country, is not!
And yet, like everything else, that statement is somehow debatable…
So, back to my fundamental question, what is the arguement [sic] to believe 1 biased source but not another?
Fox news,most of the GOP,Sarah Palin and followers,Tea-party members along with the most if not all of the rest of the people trying to de-legitimize the other side of the aisle, have decided that their opinions and allegations are just as reliable as being truthful as actual facts given by an ‘enemy source’ whether that be MSNBC,Jon Stewart,President Obama,any Democrat leader or any left-leaning person out there.
When anyone tries to point this inaccuracy out, either they really can’t understand the concept that opinion is not fact and fact is not fiction if it’s told by liberal, or they just don’t care because their hate knows no bounds. Either way they revert back to the concept of
You deem you are the ultimate say so on who is saying 1+1 = 2. And, incidentally enough, all the people you like get it right, and all the people you don’t like don’t get it right.
You are trying to process all this inside your own bias.
Your main problem, is you refuse to believe the bias of the broadcasters
Only when you understand that can you even begin to answer my question: How can we believe the truth when it comes from a biased source?
In order for me to understand, I need to believe Glenn Becks opinion that Obama is a white-hating racist.. when I accept this as truth, then I can see that fact given by a biased reporter and opinion given by Fox News are the same thing.
2+2 =4 is now debatable and depending on where you ‘lean’ is what your answer is. Keith Olbermann, because he is biased and gives more time to Republican scandals, is not factually correct when he tells you the answer is 4 unless you also recognize that Glenn Beck telling you the answer is 3 is also correct because they are both biased. So either both are to be believed or neither are.
I told you this was going to be childish,ridiculous and asinine.
This argument of ’slant and bias’ not affecting the actual truth is a fair point though. You can have a conservative explain a factual event and a liberal explain the same event and while the reasoning behind the event may be slanted and bias, that doesn’t change the facts of the event. 2 maybe a sissy-boy who liked to play with dolls growing up to the conservatives or 2 might have been a devoted pet-lover with a deep seeded love for parrots, but when added together 2 +2 is still going to equal 4.
It’s not that I am deeming only those I agree with as being ‘factual’ or that I disbelieve the other broadcasters, say Fox News, because of their bias. It’s just that I deem those reporting actual truths as being better than those reporting opinion as truth and that is the slight, but albeit glaring difference here.
Fox News is in the habit of reporting an opinion in a way that by the end of the day you can barely distinguish where opinion stops and fact starts and thus the opinion they started off with becomes as commonly accepted as the factual concept of gravity. For example, remember the ‘Czars’ Fox News went apoplectic on?
Obama’s Czars Spark Concerns Among Some Lawmakers
Although former U.S. attorney Alan Bersin and the late Russian ruler Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov appear to have nothing in common, thanks to President Obama, they now share a title.
The slant of the headline and first paragraph, makes it seem like the 1st time a head of a department was ever called ‘Czar’ was under President Obama. Then there is the slant of the story itself
Czardom does not sit well with Sen. Robert Byrd. Though slowed by age, the West Virginia Democrat remains vigorous in his defense of the powers ceded to the Congress by the Constitution. He said he believes czars are a slick way of governing without having to answer to Congress.
There is no constitutional requirement that czars undergo those pesky Senate confirmation hearings.
If you had listened to Fox and Friends during the run up to the election, you would have heard how then Senator Obama had tired of being asked whether or not he was Muslim and had said “Enough already. There’s nothing wrong with being a Muslim, but I have been a Christian for two decades now. Enough!”
“Will You Keep Your Kids Home the Day Obama Speaks to Schools?”
That was answered with a “yes, yes we will”. But why wouldn’t they, here is a former Muslim, who is turning this country communist, all you have to do is look at his ‘Czar’ list to see that… This “Unprecedented’… ‘First time ever’ talk to school children is something all parents should fear.
Missile Defense Agency's Web site features a new red,white and blue logo-described as 'scarily' similar to Obama's campaign logo, as well as the symbol of Islam
At 2200 words I realize that I could spend ten times that amount just on examples of this idea that Fox News takes rumor and allegation and reports them like they are fact until they become unquestionable fact, but those who would read it all already agree and those who don’t agree wouldn’t care if I spent 1 million words and 10 times a many examples.
Those of us who do agree don’t just ‘deem worthy’ those who are speaking for our political side, we deem worthy those who speak the truth instead of made up rumors. That is the difference, we chose to believe the ones who tell us 2+2=4, because they’re telling us fact. We chose them over those telling us 2+2=7 because they don’t like the ‘lame stream media’, liberals and this President saying otherwise.
You don’t have to take my opinion that Fox news has a problem with facts. (R) James Coburn echoed the same sentiment the other day. At a town hall meeting he said..
Sen. Coburn: “I want to tell you, I do a lot or reading every say and I”m disturbed that we get things like what this lady said [a women had questioned him on people being jailed for not having healthcare, which he flatly denied and said it made good TV on Fox to say this, but it just wasn't true] and others have said on other issues that are so disconnected from what I know to the facts. And that comes from somebody who has an agenda that’s other than the best interest of our country. And so please balance and be careful
He implored people to not to be biased by Fox news.
And what we have to have is make sure we have a debate in this country so that you can see what’s going on and make the determination yourself. So, don’t catch yourself being biased by Fox News that somebody’s no good.
David Frum, he’s a pretty big deal in the land of conservatives, said a few weeks ago,
We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.
There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?
I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead.
“Fox, like [Rush] Limbaugh has been pushing the Republicans to the margins, making people angry,…”
The agenda for Fox News is not the agenda of the United States, but the viewers have been lead by Fox news and others like them to believe that it is. Fox News is the business to get ratings which equals money, to do this they must stand out above all the other news programs, to do that they have to have a ’shtick’ and they do. They ask a question or comment a rumor, they revert back to that ‘rumor’ throughout the day until the opposition is asked about said rumor, and their denial of the rumor is aired, and that’s when the rumor turns into fact.
Example
“I heard the Seth Nobody liked to play with dolls when he was a little boy” a commentator on the early morning says.
“Is that so?” says the co-host? “Well Bob, drop that doll and tell us what the weather’s like outside”
Later in the day, on another gossip labeled “News” show on the same network this rumor pops up again,
“I don’t know where I heard this, but you know Seth Nobody played with barbies as a boy”
to which the co-host replies
“Well that would explain why he dresses so good.”
Before 24 hour news, that might go on for a day or so.. but now, it only takes hours until you will get a “journalist” from the same network asking someone in charge, or even another reporter on his show.. “People are saying Seth played with girls dolls as a child, do you think he should really be in charge of the more manly dolls like GI Joe?”
Now that this ‘rumor’ is gaining interest, because we all like the salacious more than the mundane.. other, more reputable news outlet being to report,
“Today Seth Nobody denied he liked to play with dolls as a child”
and viola.. Seth, who supported single payer insurance, started off his morning as a normal guy with just a different political view; but by the end of the day he became a ratings horse for a money and political power-hungry gossip labeled “News” network. Poor Seth is now a freak who played with dolls. This is planted and replanted throughout the cycle until it spreads through the viewers and becomes a known fact to them.Normal, upstanding liberal political leader Seth is just a queer-bait who cross-dresses at night when he’s home alone. You don’t want to vote with him do you?
You can see this process in action here..
Ignoring all the other examples in this interview, when the interviewer gets to the question about VP Biden’s comment of how the US will be tested under OBama, look at the bias that brings an utter falsehood into the world of facts as we know them today…
“..are you forewarning Americans that nothing will be done and that America’s days as the world’s leading power are over?”
Well, no.. no he isn’t. That’s just your biased making things up and unfortunately getting too many people to believe you.
Of course we go back to the other ‘fear’ rumor which has made into a ‘fact’ that too many in this country believe as God’s honest truth.. Socialism
“What do you say to the people who say Barack Obama will want to turn America into a socialist country much like Sweden?”
The only people who were saying that was that interviewer, Fox News who wants rating and candidates who want power. It started as a fear technique to scare people out of voting for him, then it was passed around by the gossiping hens on Fox News, then their ‘journalists’ reported that all important “People are asking….” it became not just news, but fact. William Randolph Hearst did this and it worked to make him rich just like it’s making Murdoch,Beck,Palin, Hannity and many others filthy stinking rich. Don’t believe me? Do you know what Rush Limbaugh gets for telling you these things?$400 million dollars!
Nah, he has no motive to make his show more interesting and keep his numbers up.
How about if they tell you themselves it’s all about the money, and controversy means cash.. would that change anyone’s perspective that they aren’t hearing truths, but what will make the person speaking more money?
With a deadpan, Beck insists that he is not political: “I could give a flying crap about the political process.” Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. “We’re an entertainment company,” Beck says. He has managed to monetize virtually everything that comes out of his mouth.
They are an ‘entertainment company’, and yet they’ve been able to convince most of the viewing population that they are the most trusted name in news. How is that even possible? Their goal is new entertainment and ratings.
As I said a few hundred words ago, I could go on and on, I could provide 1000’s of examples.. but those who would read it all already agree and those who don’t agree wouldn’t care if I spent 1 million words and 10 times a many examples, but in my quest.. I found an interesting ‘beginning’. Yes, the seeds were already there.. one only had to follow the 2008 campaign trail to see it, but something about this struck me like an “AHA! Here is where it really started to become true!” Because I think that up until that point, even with those at the town-meetings believing the rhetoric, it was still mainly a rumor. Until this broadcast sealed the rumor as truth forever. I found it on a blog called JOTMAN.COM. On this is site ‘Jotman’ has 3 videos shot the night of President Obama’s election win. One video is actually from Fox news the following morning showing a crowd of people at the gates of the White House, the broadcaster comments that they are probably drunk, her opinion of course, and then she draws your attention to the flag someone in the crowd raises, it is the Russian Communist flag. The Broadcaster is of course curious and wants this watched because ‘what does it mean?”, is it a sign?, do we need to fear this newly elected President or something just as ridiculous.
The second video is reportedly shot from inside the White House that same night, it’s the same crowd cheering at the gates, the man in the video sees the cheering and the flag and he is scared. As he says these are people coming out for Obama and cheering the fact that this country is going to change.. he just can’t believe what he is seeing. There is pushing and shoving, look there is the communist flag again, and torches! they’re all over the place it’s so ominous … it’s chaos!
Until you watch the video from the street.
The third video shows the crowd laughing,cheering,smiling and yes.. Chanting.
For the land of the free….. and the home of the… Braaaaavvveeee!!!
Not to mention USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!
The horror!
Yes, there is the commie flag.. but instead of asking what the flag meant Fox News decided it meant communism was here and they must fight it every step of the way. Fox news knew that morning, like the mornings after every election there was bound to be some pretty pissed off people and they were going to stir up that emotion and bank it. That story was the perfect one to drop the ‘Hearst’ seed and watch it grow. It was visual proof and with just the right question put to it, maybe another mention of it later, until finally reporting on as a fact in the later broadcasts, President Obama becomes an elected Communist .There was no need for anyone to hear the crowd, the silent view of it with the added speculation would serve quit nicely. Those watching Fox that segment wouldn’t hear the glee and love for their country coming from that crowd, instead they would see a possibly drunken presence cheering the fact that communism has now come to America when she elected an Communist, Marxist, Socialist the night before. Before long Glen Beck would confirm their other fear, the fear that this new president also hated white people.
We’ll never know what the flag meant one way or the other, we have video of the overwhelming happiness and pride in the country though, so to me it reinforces the rules of any political debate and that is …It doesn’t matter how civil a debate starts, when two opposing figures meet no matter if the figures are bound by the same codes as Tibetan Monks there is going to eventually be a ‘fuck you’ thrown into the debate and to me, this was just a big Fuck you along with a cheerful goodbye to the despotic way the country was run for 8 very long years!
Of course this all just my opinion, not a fact and it’s because I know the difference that I deem others who also know the difference to be more worthy of my trust that those who don’t.
WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced today that the Pentagon will make it more difficult to discharge openly gay or lesbian members of the military.
I know this isn’t complete repeal, but it’s close… really close.
Unfortunately “Don’t ask Don’t Tell’ is a law and not just a policy. Being an actual law means to repeal it you need Congress and after the battle we just saw for allowing sick children a chance to see a doctor, could you imagine the viscous and vileness of a fight to fully repeal DADT ? So, to save us a massive influx of spontaneous combustion victims,apoplectic seizures, and generally a Heaven’s Gate Cult-like reaction that would be sure to swap our health care facilities thus causing the rationing Republican’s feary-tales warned us about, President Obama and Defense Secretary Gates did everything they could do to repeal the arcane law without having to involved Congressional leaders who have vowed to sit on their hands and no longer work for the American people who elected them. Of course, those Congressmen will still take the pay-check the American people pay them, they will just refuse to work for it now.
McCain: Don’t expect GOP cooperation
on legislation for the rest of this year
…warning of little work between parties the rest of this year.
For those who yell at sick people and tell them “You want something in this country, you work for it!” and “There are no free-ride or free hand-outs here!” tell me, what do you call it when you pay someone to do a job and they refuse but still take your payment for that job? Is that theft or welfare? I really don’t know but I love how you support it when it’s your leaders getting the free ride. Who by the way, could afford not to work AND not take their paycheck, as opposed to a man in a wheelchair with Parkinson. Oh and they get free health-care to boot on your dollar. So, not only are you paying a man who has so many houses that he can’t count them to do a job that he has vowed not to do any longer, but you’re paying for his healthcare also.
yippeeeeeeee…. and here’s your sign.
Back to the homos.
I know this isn’t the total victory that they wanted but I hope they see this is as good as a repeal as they can get in this political climate.The new rules make it almost, not totally but almost impossible for someone who is gay to be kicked out of the military. Of course they can’t be as open as they would like to be but lets face it, hetero’s aren’t allowed to be as open as some of them would want to be either. No matter who you are attracted to, there just aren’t couples holding hands and cooing in each others ear all over this or that base. Open displays of affection are just not allowed in the military. Before the new standards though, just the hint and rumor of ones sexual proclivity would get them booted from the military. The sad part was that many of those who worked with person in question , lived with them, fought and bled with them knew of their sexual orientation but said nothing because it never effected that persons ability to do their job and serve their country. But when they made an enemy of someone, whether valid or not, the scorned person could pretty much say what they wanted and end the career of those who had nothing but serve their country with honor, but were born being attracted to the same sex.
While many of us agree that this is a stupid law, I can only hope the new standards are enough for right now to soothe some of the anger of those who are or have been unjustly affected. Under the new guidelines hearsay and rumor will not be allowed, those who are making the accusation must swear so under oath, and anonymous accusations will no longer be accepted (not that ever should have been).
Another change is who can approve the discharge. In all cases the discharge must be approved by a one-star general or higher.
the reliability of the informant and whether that person
might have an ulterior motive in making a report.
Opponents are of course against any change, some high ranking (very high ranking) individuals have said it was because of the Dutch allowing gays to serve that the Bosnia genocide happened. The gays were just unable to stop fornicating long enough to fight, not that all that high-pitch screaming and slapping is a danger to the ‘real men’ they were fighting anyway, but you know it looked bad..What with all those sweaty,writhing bodies fornicating out in the open like the gays are prone to do while a section of the popular was slaughtered.
I wonder if the people who believe this also believe that most of the world was gay in the 1940’s since Hitler’s genocide wasn’t stopped before millions were murdered either. I’d love to point out to them that with all the genocide going on in Africa today, by their argument, the whole world must be protected by homos.
Genocide, it’s the gays fault!
Ha! It would be funny if 1/2 the population wasn’t stupid enough to believe it.
These ‘feary-tale’ are on par with Palin’s ‘death panel’. There is no basis in reality for the fear or the people who promote it, but the ones who believe it are who President Obama is fighting to change. Like the idiots who believe whatever Palins vomits out on twitter, they will believe that allowing gays to fight will cause the next genocide to go unchecked. They are adamant and unchanging in their beliefs, to them gays should be housed separately from ‘normal’ soldiers because it’s the only way to keep unit cohesion tight and moral high. Maybe we should issue them a pink triangle to wear on their uniform like another military leader did. I guess it’s never occurred to these generals who think this way, that gays are and have been sleeping next to their ‘normal’ boys for a long long time now without uncontrollably humping them in their sleep and ruining moral.
The Spartans or Alexander the Great are just two examples just how non-unified and ’sissy-like’ the homos can make an army. What general would want people like that fight for them? I mean.. duh!
We can’t save these people from their beliefs and we shouldn’t try because it’s a losing battle. Unfortunately there is enough of them in power to fail in an attempt to completely repeal DADT at this time. PresidentObama and Defense Secretary Gates know this so they’ve done as much as they can to change things anyway.
Even with these new guidelines, will there still be those who are outed and banned from service because of fear,jealousy and spite? Yes, but just like the new health reform is not perfect but a step in the right direction, these new regulations are also a major step forward in the right direction. It may take another generation before we see universal acceptance and/or universal health insurance, but one thing cannot be denied. President Obama ran on a platform of Change, a platform to bring us all, even those who will fight every dirty and nasty way they know how, into a future we can all be a part of and proud of and he’s doing everything he can to live up to his promises.
I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes. It’s not that I would call the person telling me about it a liar, but I would assume they were mistaken. Lil Mike and I have had many disagreements but up until the last few months he’s always been a relatively rational person. So even when I was told about this remark he made on the MucheDumbre forum, I still didn’t believe it because even he isn’t that… backwards.
I was… wrong.
I know that Mike doesn’t speak for all Republicans, but he does tow whatever current talking point the rest of them are towing religiously. Even still, the other day when I 1st saw this theory in the comments section on a leftie blog reporting the news, I didn’t give it much thought because what intelligent,logical, and rational person would actually come out and say that since it wasn’t on TV, they just wouldn’t believe it? I mean the news told me it was windy outside, but they didn’t show me video.. so I’m going to call shenanigans! Jesus didn’t walk the earth because there is no video to prove it! Dinosaurs never existed because no one caught one on film. You see why this is such a retarded concept?
Now, I am not just addressing Mike in this post even though I am using a lot of singular pronouns, I’m not just talking to him.. (yes, Mike forces me to make this disclaimer now when addressing him)
Lil MIke
I’ve waited a couple of days to comment on this because I wanted to see what evidence turned up on, but so far, nothing.
So in the matter of Rep. Cleaver being spit on, I call shennanigans.
In the matter of Rep. Lewis being called the “N” word, I again call shennanigans.
I’ve scoured YouTube and I’ve seen various news coverage of the walk between buildings in question, and I didn’t hear anyone use that language. The walk was so heavily filmed by so many sources that it strains incredulity that not a single flip or phone camera didn’t catch it, let alone the network news cameras that filmed it. Rep. Jackson actually filmed it with his flip camera, so where is his footage? And no witnesses. Maybe Jackson has it on his flip and is just waiting for the right time to release it, but until then, it sounds like a political trick.
In the matter of Rep. Frank being called a faggot, there seems to be enough witnesses to confirm it, so even though there is no footage of it, I buy the story.
Interestingly though, several people near the person who called him that called him out on it. So that’s positive.
Since you didn’t see it on the ‘telegraph with moving picture-box’.. it can’t be true?
In my best Bill Maher.. “Really?
Of course it’s shenanigans that someone would call black man “nigger” in this country. No one would ever do such a thing, of course they’d call a homosexual a “faggot”, but those kind of people draw the line when it comes to using the ‘n’ word..
Is this how far you’ll stoop to ignore reality? You now have to see it on the picture box..?
Your reality must be interesting if you need the television to prove things to you. As for the spitting that you ‘ scoured YouTube’ for… it took about 15 seconds to find..
The incident shenanigan is at about 1:20.. you can see his head jerk back, you can see him swat his hand and after he walks away you can see him wiping his face some more. Now I know, John Madden isn’t there to show you a frame by frame but…
wait, what am I thinking, you don’t watch videos that are posted do you?
I know, you don’t believe it unless it’s on TV, but you and your people have lost their fucking minds
Really? Browning can stop it? Well we know who Palin is talking to with her tweet don’t we?
and her map of targets.. ya know the one with the cross-hairs
Means nothing.
Hopefully someone gets the assassination on video so you can watch the TV and see it for yourself since that’s what you base your beliefs on now.
Hey, don’t worry the GOP is right there egging it all on with “don’t tread on me’ banners draped off the balcony of the House.. They’re right there in the loop of all of this, I’m sure you oozing pride aren’t you? One can only assume that you and they have you fingers crossed that Palin’s target finds it mark.
Of course you hope it’s not caught on camera so you can deny it too..
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Feet from the Capitol, protesters roar when GOP members fly a "Don't Tread on Me" flag from the House balcony"
I know that this next incident wasn’t on television, so it must be made up too.
One vulnerable Democrat in the post-health care reform era is Representative Tom Perriello (D-Va.), whose support for reform has brought him continual criticism. This week, one self-styled “Tea Party organizer” posted what he thought was Perriello’s home address, encouraging people to harass the lawmaker at home. The address ended up being the home of Perriello’s brother’s family, but the activist, Mike Troxel, took it in stride, saying, “I was a journalism major in college, so I have every reason to believe my research is accurate.” Laugh if you want, but this is precisely how the “journalism” works, circa 2010. This isn’t the first time Perriello critics have struggled with geography: back in December, Tea Partiers got all bent out of shape when they discovered that Perriello’s Charlotteville office wasn’t conveniently located in a way that facilitated their whining.
Since there wasn’t an explosion, it must be fake..
and the Stupak threats?
“Congressman Stupak, you baby-killing mother fucker… I hope you bleed out your ass, got cancer and die, you mother fucker,”
and
“There are millions of people across the country who wish you ill,and all of those thoughts that are projected on you will materialize into something that’s not very good for you.
But sadly, since it wasn’t a video tape on youtube it was probably just Stupak calling himself. By the way, what is the GOP’s fascination with male asses?
Nevermind.
Hell, this doesn’t mean anything either
and since a militia leader called for broken windows..
And on Monday, a former Alabama militia leader took credit for instigating the actions.
and got them, that tweet above should just be ignored because really, who would listen to such a thing? Sir-Han Sir-Han only listened to voices in his head, and Hinkley only did it to make Jodi Foster see him..
I mean really..
who would listen to such a thing?
I guess when the tea baggers meet in Washington on such an innocuous day as April 19 for their BRING YOUR GUNS rally it doesn’t mean anything,because that date doesn’t mean anything and they’re just bringing their loaded guns. It’s not like the anger we see in the spitting video will still be boiling. It’s not like any of the examples in this blog would ever egg someone on..
Of course you’ll just ignore it no matter what.. But let’s just hope the secret service doesn’t
19 April 2010:
Bring Your Sidearms and Longarms
To The Banks of the Potomac Pistol loaded,
openly carried. Rifle unloaded, slung to rear.
Bandoleer of magazines containing ammo.
We know the GOP would have allowed an armed protest of the war right? Especially an armed protest after all the death threats and assignations promises that you’ve decided are shenanigans and will just ignore..
I don’t really know who you are anymore, then again, maybe I never did. You keep saying you’ve never changed and are the same person you have always been, maybe I just never saw how reactionary and dangerously flippant you are until now.
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