Seriously.. what the crap? 93 is where you finally stand up and say “Uh, no..not again”? That’s where the insanity started to get the ‘nth degree‘? Or is that just where the political points are triple word scores? Where your party stands to gain the most? You’ve whored yourself out 92 other times for a dollar, but this time.. well buddy this time you’ve got morals and principals.
wtf?
What happens if congress doesn’t raise the debt ceiling? Let’s let Mr. Graham answer…
“Let me tell you what’s involved if we don’t lift the debt ceiling: financial collapse and calamity throughout the world. That’s not lost upon me.”
Oh well why didn’t you say so, financial collapse and calamity throughout the world, but lets’ not do something so insane as to raise the debt level a ninety-fucking-third time to prevent this world wide apocalypse like none we’ve ever seen before.. That would just be… insanity to the nth degree!
These people make my ass twitch and if they don’t make yours twitch then you aren’t paying enough attention!
Well sure, when I think “National Security”.. I think Michele Bachmann.
Members of the Intelligence panel receive classified briefings in a secure conference room in the Capitol, and are sworn to secrecy about most of the committee’s activities.
If raising the debt level, because if we don’t the world will literally collapse upon itself, is ‘nth degree insanity’ but appointing this woman to hold our national security secrets,thus giving her credibility when she makes stupid comments like ACORN will steal your identity and use it for voter fraud if you fill out the census, is perfectly sane then I want some of what this GOP leadership is smoking because that’s the best shit out there.
As more and more of this crap goes by, I am thoroughly convinced that the Mayans are right and the GOP knows it, or that all the “Book of Revelation” wishing GOP members are doing everything they can to make that Mayan prediction happen. Either way, I am convinced that we are seeing the last great days and entering into the ‘end times’.
Jon Stewart is (rightfully) pissed and what better way to vent that anger than to use his comedic talent and a few victims of the Republican hostage-taking machine currently controlling the Congress and have an ‘adult conversation’ on just how partisan and utterly selfish this crop of Republicans are. The best part about this? We, as a country, get to look forward to the fact that these assholes will be in complete control come January. God save us all….
Here are two clips from last nights “The Daily Show”. I encourage everyone to watch them… or if you’ve already seen them, watch again. If this issue doesn’t tell you what kind of people were just given majorities and ‘the American people’s voice’, then you’re part of the problem. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior by the GOP, nothing justifies their borg-like position that we must give hedge-fund managers making a billion dollars a year a tax break before we can give the 1st responders to 9/11 health care. There is nothing that can explain this one away.
This is who you elected folks, if I didn’t have to live here with you I’d be happy to watch you wither away in the gutter-shit you’ve dumped upon this country. Too bad for me though that I didn’t make a billion dollars last year during the worst economy since the depression, so my feelings don’t really count do they?
Daily Show: Worst Responders
Senate Republicans filibuster the Zadroga bill but pass tax cuts for the wealthy.
I never thought I would say this, but Thank You Al Jazeera for being the only news channel to thoroughly expose this atrocity committed by the Congressional Republicans. The irony of this is not lost on anyone.
I would hope that some of the Republicans who have chosen the CEO’s and derivative-kings of Wall Street who destroyed the economy and are now attempting (successfully) to control the government … over the sides of the other 98% of this country, would be forced to sit and watch this next part of Stewart’s anger, but even if they did I really don’t think they would get it. To them, the real tragedy here is a 3% tax increase on people who make millions and billions of dollars and that is where we should all focus our attention. We can’t let these poor ultra-wealthy persons suffer anymore than they have already. These 1st responders should really know their place in this country and that place is to sacrifice their selves to save the market experts so those same experts can invest the 401k’s and pensions of those 1st responders in high-risk markets and then bet against the success of that market, thus insuring it’s failure and the total loss of those risked funds.
Know your place bitch! Learn it,live it… love it because you can’t stop us now!
But hey, on the bright side.. atleast we finally know what they mean by “We want our country back”, what they mean is their country Circa 1400 Britain when monarchies ruled and the rest of us lived to serve them.
That’s it, I’m done. I’ve used this product for almost 2 years now and have found it to be lacking each and every time I’ve counted on it. When I saw the advertisements for it I thought to myself “Well, that sounds pretty good, I think I’ll try it” then whipped out my credit card and paid for it. I know I know, I should have remembered the old adage “If it’s too good to be true…blah-blah-blah” but it was just so damn appealing! I couldn’t help it and neither, it seems, could 69 million other people!
So what product did we all buy into that has turned out to be a dud?
Barack Obama!
Now listen, I’m not saying John McCain would have been any better. In fact the more I see of him and his confused,mentally incompetent and extremely angry running mate the more sure I am of that simple fact. But that doesn’t mean Barack Obama is the God-send he was supposed to be. To be honest, one thing that would have been a nice change if McCain and Palin had won would that we could actually see something getting done instead of a President selling his own ideas, his party’s idea’s and his and his party leaders nuts to the lowest bidder. Say what you want about George Bush (and I have), but he sure as hell got stuff done… just not the stuff any rational person wanted done. But now, instead of being stuck with a President that rolls over anyone in his way, we have a President who rolls over for anyone in his way.
Don’t like his stimulus plan? No problem, he’ll give you the tax breaks you want, ask for less money than he needs and he’ll let you call it all “Obama’s Radical Socialist Agenda” while you secretly take the funds from him anyway because you know that your state couldn’t survive without those funds.
Don’t believe in science or climate change? Well that’s ok, he does believe in it but to make you happy he’ll end all hopes of anything ‘Green’ coming from this liberal white house.
Over and over, again and again, this president hasn’t proved he wants bipartisanship legislation , he’s proved he want Conservative Republican only legislation! With a 60 vote majority in the Congress, overwhelming public support on his side, some of the largest ‘political capitol’ for an incoming president in a generation and he’s done nothing more than give up on every promise he ever made. Next on the auction block are the Bush Tax cuts, that will kill this country if we reauthorize them for every level of income and repeal of Don’t ask, Don’t tell.
Military leaders say DADT is antiquated and they want it changed, the majority of American say they want it changed, when polled, an overwhelming majority of currently enlisted service men and women say they’re ok with it changing so of course when one Republican balks at the idea because of his own bigoted agenda, Barack Obama caves in and shelves repealing one of the most ridiculous laws to ever come out of Congress.
Nukes! Nukes and the non- proliferation of them is something we can agree on right? We can all, Republican and Democrat agree that if we could have an agreement with Russia over nuclear weapons, well that would be a good thing. I mean, seriously who wants the Russians to have a run on nuclear weapons like they have promised, if we can prevent it?
Enter “No Comprise” Republicans and “Give them what they want” Obama! and before long we’ll be hearing “Treaty? What Treaty?”
But, Vladimir Putin did call anyone who wouldn’t ratify this START treaty “dumb” and what kind of bipartisan president would Obama be if he allowed a foreign leader to say that about his favorite party?
Yesterday, after meeting with the incoming Republican leadership President Obama said
Obama told the lawmakers that he needed to do more to reduce the partisan tone in Washington, press secretary Robert Gibbs said later. The president said he plans to hold additional talks in Washington and at Camp David with lawmakers of both parties.
Yes, well.. of course. He needs to do better at reducing the partisan tone. Rep. Joe Barton on the other hand, well he can say
“Speaker Boehner is our Dwight Eisenhower in the battle against the Obama Administration. Majority Leader Cantor is our Omar Bradley. I want to be George Patton – put anything in my scope and I will shoot it.”
If the Obama administration was hoping to see hints of bipartisanship from the Hill, it might want to skip over the House Energy and Commerce Committee
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell sent a letter to Harry Reid this morning letting him know that 100% of the Senate Republicans have decided to block any and all Democrat legislation until they get what they want.
Yes, yes I see where Obama needs to do more to end all this silly partisan stuff.
I want a refund damn it! I’m tired of fighting for a President who will not fight for himself and who will actually throw me under the bus if it gets him a vocal promise of support, even when he knows that when it comes down to it, that vocal promise doesn’t mean shit. I’m tired of watching the policies my party believes in being shelved or butchered beyond recognition before there is even a chance to see where the other, minority side will compromise on. We were promised a fighter and we gave him a 60 vote majority to help him! We were standing there behind him,telling him what we wanted, what we expected… WE were the people we have been waiting for, but you Mr. President are not the President we have been waiting for!
It’s almost like every time you turn around you hear a Republican or Fox News pundit whine about how the “Mainstream Media” is in the pocket of this administration or that the “Mainstream Media” is in the pocket of the Democrats. Sarah Palin has started a whole new movement of ignoring the “Lamestream media” and only speaking with Fox news. She says because they’re just so unbiased and fair.Not like the democrat’s media that… well.. asks real questions. That’s what it boils down to, one media asks questions so they are shunned over the media that doesn’t ask. It’s nothing to do with who is in whose pocket, all you have to do is read the news to see that..
News Corp., the parent company of Fox News, contributed $1 million this summer to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the business lobby that has been running an aggressive campaign in support of the Republican effort to retake Congress, a source close to the company told POLITICO.
It was the second $1 million contribution the company has made this election cycle to a GOP-aligned group. In late June it gave that amount to the Republican Governors Association.
That seems pretty biased to me. A news organization giving +$2 million dollars to a political party because, as NewsCorp said the company..
“..believes in the power of free markets, and the RGA’s pro-business agenda supports our priorities at this most critical time for our economy.”
“NPR journalists may not participate in marches and rallies involving causes or issues that NPR covers, nor should they sign petitions or otherwise lend their name to such causes, or contribute money to them.”
Well, isn’t that odd. NPR, the liberal media keeping journalistic integrity alive, while Fox News not only shits on it, but does so with a smile on their face.
No, Republican and Tea people only going on Fox has nothing to do with being actually interviewed and there isn’t a shred of journalistic integrity in any of it. Instead it has everything to do with more promotion of the Republican Brand, because as Rupert Murdoch’s spokesperson said, it’s all about the Republicans and Tea Party supporting his priorities, while the Democrats don’t.
You’re not getting “Fair and Balanced” news, you’re getting puff-pieces one mans wants you to get. If you think this is “Fair and Balanced” then what do you think Karl Rove,Sean Hannity, Bill-O, Megan Fox, and Fox and Friends would say if Keith Olbermann or Brain Williams showed up as headliners for a Democratic National Convention? Or went on the road raising campaign funds for President Obama? Would they cry that that’s solid proof of the Mainstream media being in cahoots with the Democrats? Exactly, they would weep over this to any one who would listen, as they should. But if there’s one thing we know about Fox and the Republicans it’s “Do as I say, not as I do”…
Two articles on Politico.com should wake liberals up to the disaster that’s headed their way. Unfortunately, not only will the liberals ignore the implications, at this point, even if they did hone in on the theme of the two pieces there simply isn’t anything to be done about it. At least not until Independents get the funk out of their system and start paying attention to reality. Until then, there really isn’t any hope for substantial progress in the next decade or so.
With Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee all making moves indicating they may run for president, their common employer is facing a question that hasn’t been asked before: How does a news organization cover White House hopefuls when so many are on the payroll?
With the exception of Mitt Romney, every actual 2012 presidential contender is an employee of Fox News. An employee who is contractually obligated to NOT appear on any ‘real’ news network. This contract can last for as long as the candidates wish it to last. Sarah Palin can stay a paid employee of Fox News, reaping the benefit of a friendly outlet to get out her campaign promises she doesn’t plan on fulfilling, without a single question on them, all the way up to the filing deadline. The benefit is not only that she gets paid by Fox News while putting out her propaganda, but the other News outlets will be so starved for her attention that when she finally does have to leave her paying job at Fox and work in the real world, not a single ‘real’ journalist will dare to ask her a question on anything she has said or done up to that point. They won’t jeopardize her going back into hiding behind Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck, so they will pad each interview with her demands. You only have to look at Sharon Angle’s wishes to know what those demands will be
Angle: “We needed to have the press be our friend.”
Cameron: “Wait a minute. Hold on a second. To be your friend…?”
Angle: “Well, truly–”
Cameron: “That sounds naive.”
Angle: “Well, no. We wanted them to ask the questions we want to answer so that they report the news the way we want it to be reported.”
These candidates want a friendly media that only asks questions they want to be asked and report the news the way the candidate wants it reported.
I should stop here. Liberals, you’re smart enough to see what’s going on. Independent, you’re jaded and pissed and I get that, but don’t you see it? Non-tea party Republicans? You’re who I am addressing right now. Is this the environment you wish to cultivate in this country? A News channel employee, elected to President, who will run a State-run media where the candidate/elected officials gives the news they want you to know and that is what is reported, unquestioned? Where only friendly, candidate/elected official hand-picked questions are asked and then disseminated to the public how the candidate/elected officials wants? This is your revenge for outing the people who compromised a CIA spy working undercover on WMD’s for their political gain? This is your retribution because someone dared to bring up that torture is against the law? This is your pay back for holding a president and his administration accountable when they said we needed to start a war with a country who had done nothing to us? While that reason never actually panned out? A state-run media is your answer as to how you take over this country?
Well, it seems like you’ve found the right path. Which brings me to the second story.
More people are getting their news about the upcoming election from cable television than any other source, and from Fox News more than any other cable channel, according to a POLITICO/George Washington University Battleground Poll released Monday.
Among cable news channels, Fox was the clear winner, with 42 percent of respondents saying it is their main source, compared with 30 percent who cited CNN and 12 percent who rely on MSNBC.
As if 42% of the population saying they get the most of their news from Fox isn’t enough, the other numbers should cause fainting among liberals and independent on a massive scale… but it won’t.
Fox’s opinionated personalities were also rated as having the greatest positive impact on the political debate in the country. Bill O’Reilly was rated as having, by far, the greatest positive impact, with 49 percent of respondents rating him positively, and 32 percent negatively.
Glenn Beck was the second most-positively rated personality, with 38 percent of respondents saying he had a positive impact, and 32 percent saying he had a negative impact.
Please, liberals,independents, sane conservative folk… lose your apathy, lose the crater on your shoulder, remove your blinders, set aside your hate and read that again. 42% of the country uses Fox News as their primary news source. 49% of them say Bill O’reilly has the greatest positive impact and Glenn Beck, with 38%, is the second greatest positive impact on politics. Even Rush Limbaugh has 36% of the people saying he’s a positive voice when it comes to their political news.
Fox news, has all but one of the prospective Republican presidential candidates for 2012 on their payroll and owns the exclusive right to their TV appearances. 42% of the country gets their news from Fox News and trusts it over any other source. Glenn Beck and Bill O’reilly are overwhelmingly their source for positive political information.
Fox News is going to run for and win the office of President of the United States of America. Fox news hosts are a “friendly media” to those candidates and they will only go on Fox News because they will ask only the questions the candidate wants asked, and report the news the way the candidate wants it reported.Fox news will ensure the election of it’s own employees… and the 42% of the population will not only allow it, but feel better about their country because Glenn Beck told them that Fox News employee he’s promoting is the only person who will give them their country back. And by ‘giving it back’ I mean handing it over completely and totally to a media mogul hell-bent on ruling the world the same way Richard Dawson ran the world in Running Man. Welcome to the Democratic People’s Republic of the once United States of America, where you only get our news, our candidates and our political impact 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Jesus, is there anything the conservative extremists won’t take over and destroy solely for their wealth and power?
Is there anything we won’t let them take?
It seems not.
*UPDATE*
As if the Fox circle jerk wasn’t enough.. today the Tucker Carlson, ultra-right leaning website “The Daily Caller” is reporting that aides of House Minority Whip Eric Cantor,Republican, pulled strings at the National Review Online, to get them to give an overwhelmingly positive review and endorsement of the Republicans “Pledge to America” manifesto.
Isn’t that special. Not only is Fox News sweet on the GOP, but now Republican leaders are calling in favors from other right-wing media organizations to give them friendly positive reviews.
Are there any scrupulous and non-nefarious Republican leaders out there anymore? What am I saying, are there real independent journalists out there anymore?Are there any viewers who want independent journalism? Can’t these Republicans get elected on theirown merit? Their real merit not the padded ones they get their media to falsify? Is this the new leadership this country is begging for? This is the country you want to get back to?
Like I said in the blog, ‘When does 2+2=4 become debatable? When it’s politics, stupid!” , Fox News adds 2+2 and comes up with 7. As if that wasn’t bad enough they get people to believe them instead truth and facts. They even pull the ‘Hey, we’ve researched’ it card to back up whatever claim they are making. Obviously if they’ve researched it and they are this adamant that their information is correct, then they should be believed… right?
After Senator Coburn told a town hall meeting not to believe what they hear on Fox News, Bill-O decided he was going to take it upon himself to research his station and find out just when it was that anyone on Fox News said that under “ObamaCare” you would go to jail if you didn’t get health insurance.
O’Reilly: Well, tell me, what — because it doesn’t happen here.
And we researched to find out if anybody on Fox News
had ever said you’re going to jail if you don’t buy health insurance.
Nobody’s ever said it.
Well there you go, that solves it. This rumor was nothing more than another attempt of the “Lame stream media” to attack the honest hardworking fact checkers at Fox News, they researched this problem and found it to be an utterly false accusation.
except..
Beck: But if you don’t play by their new rules on health care, oooh, here’s a new little twist. Have you heard this? You’re going to be looking at a fun little stint in jail.
and
… But if you don’t play ball with them now, if you don’t get into their government health care, there will be jail time. And that of course was
Glenn Beck told his audience on Nov. 12, 2009 that they would go to jail. The next day on O’reilly’s own show, Beck was a a guest and repeated the same claim.
BECK: You know, this is the first time in history in our country where, just to be a citizen, just to not go to jail, you have to buy something.
This doesn’t include the Hannity shows and guests he’s had on who echoed same statements.
If you just happen to be walking by the TV and the sound was off, you still got the news from Fox when they said at the bottom of the screen “Comply or go to jail.”
In a strange twist, a member of the Fox News team admits this was a falsehood spread by Fox News. Neil Cavuto has owned up to the myth Sen. Coburn was talking about.
“I’ve
researched this, and a
number of Fox
personalities had made that comment.”
Cavuto mentioned this fact the day after the O’reilly/Coburn interview, and even then O’reilly again went on his and insisted that Sen. Coburn “didn’t really have his facts in line,” when it came to saying Fox News perpetuated the jail time myth.
2+2=7
If you are a viewer of Fox News of course you see that this is all just Lame Stream Media attack and spin, how in the hell could you see anything else? To you, Fox is just trying to keep the record straight and they are really having a hard time being the only name in news to give the “fair” and the “balanced”. The problem is, Fox news operates in another reality where they make up the facts and the research to back them up. This is not the same as MSNBC spending night after night attacking Sarah Palin for using RNC donations for her clothes, her not returning the money for the ‘bridge to no where’ but spending it instead, or her pimping for the Tea-Party Express which turns out not to be a grass-roots movement but a Republican Political Action Committee movement made up to fool real tea-partymembers into donating more money. All of that is real, researched truth, which is the opposite of what you get when you turn to Fox News.
Look, if people want to believe in leprechauns and unicorns they can, there is nothing wrong with that. Thought and fantasy are still free in this world even if saying them out loud isn’t in some places. But for a “News” network to be considered ‘fair’ or ‘balanced’ or ‘trusted’ or hell, ‘news’ they have to follow the same rules as the others. If they want to only report on the other sides scandals and misdeeds to make them out to be the party not to be trusted, so be it! If they want to only report on their sides altruistic ideals and actions to make them seem like better party ok. They can’t claim ‘fair’ or ‘balanced’ but ok, have at it. But they cannot just make stuff up and repeatedly get away with it. Not if their goal is News. If their goal is money, your money..as much of it as they can get, then hell Bat Boy journalism for everyone ! But stop labeling the product incorrectly.
This network has pretty much reduced themselves to, “Bat boy journalism” yet they demand to be treated like real journalism and will cry like scorned little girls the minute they aren’t taken as seriously as a Walter Cronkite-like news organization. Unfortunately for those of us who chose not to believe in unicorns and Bat Boy, we are forced to defend that which is slanted, but true because that slanted journalism is the excuse for the fake or made up journalism. The problem then becomes that we inspire more slant instead of more neutral.
If we didn’t have to live through the consequences of Bat Boy journalism and the voting populists I’d say let them have their sensational stories because like any Jerry Springer episode, they can be good for a laugh. It’s when we would have to suffer through the choices of the ‘believers’ that we get not just Jerry Springer on TV, but Jerry Springer in the White House that it becomes a detriment to all.
I’m not knocking Springer, but I don’t want this country governed by those who believe his show is on the same level of journalism as a slanted, but accurate, Rachael Maddow.
There was another interesting conversation on muchedumbre.com the other day. It started when a poster accidentally slipped into the politikal section, a section usually avoided by most because it’s a cesspool of insults,misinformation and retardation (which I say with love in my heart since I am swimming around in that cesspool with the rest of them). Upon realizing his error, he looked around and said..
“Yeah, I don’t understand how to play here yet.”
This was met with the humorous , yet essential, advice of…
You have to throw in the occassional [sic] Fuck Off! and then I think you’ll have it..
Anyone who is part of a community like ours, may find the words crude, but they know the advice is integral. It doesn’t matter how civil a debate starts, when two opposing figures meet, if one is bound by political party doctrine to ‘deny at all cost’, to live the motto of‘just say Hell No!’ it doesn’t matter if the other figure is is bound by the same codes as Tibetan Monks, there’s going to eventually be a ‘fuck you’ thrown into the debate.
It was this ‘field guide’ that brought about an insightful reply from Chuck, and I put it here because of the debate it produced. It is probably the most childish,ridiculous and asinine debate ever held by adults, but once again.. when the party of ‘Hell NO!” meets anyone saying “uh, yes” intelligence, logic, and reason is soon lost as you will soon see.
Maybe I can explain it a little bit with some other happenings around the U.S. Though they may seem very direct and to the point and not as “left to interpretation”…well…let’s start.
Item One.
Recently Scott Brown, newly elected Senator from Mass, has said and suggested that MSNBC host Rachael Maddow is going to run against him during reelections. Through sources on his end, he’s said that she’s “secretly” gathering up steam and will file and run. Maddow has stated on her show she is not running, has no intention of it.
End of story right? Nopey.
Scott Brown was asked on a radio show, following Maddow’s statement, what he thought of her statement that she wasn’t going to run. He replied, without ever saying, “well, I guess that changes things, har har”, and instead replied, “mumble mumble….bring it on.” Implying that he still believed she was indeed going to run and that he was ready for her.
Next Maddow, with her own money, took out a front page ad (in the area of interests) newspaper calling Scott Brown a liar and that she was definitely, emphatically, not running. She had/has no desire to run and that this was getting silly and to quit saying or implying she was running and using her name to collect campaign donations from individuals, with a lie.
His reply? He said her front page newspaper statement looked like it came straight from one of the writers at the DNC and that he thought Maddow would make an interesting candidate. Thus never admitting that he (Mr. Brown) was in error and making sure to twice “imply” through his choice of words, that Ms. Maddow was and STILL IS a candidate.
Item two.
Nine members of a Michigan Militia group were arrested and charged with plotting to kill a law enforcement officer and then many others with homemade bombs, in hopes of starting an uprising against the Government…oh and to battle with the anti-christ.
You would think across the Blogosphere and forums alike, we’d see the individuals involved being denounced…but not so fast mister fancy pants…they’re being defended. Not by seemingly other milita groups or like minded individuals…but rather…by individuals who are making sure to note that anything this current Government/Administration does is to be suspect and dubious.
You’d think something like this would be pretty cut and dry. Wanna kill law enforcement officers, check. Wanna kill many more people with homemade bombs, check. Wanna be prepared and kill the anti-christ, check. What is our governments REAL agenda here, che…what?
What you will find, in your journey here, will be two sides to the same coin, almost constantly at odds. Oft times from political stances. Oft times from personal interpretations…or both.
It’s the only place in the universe where 2+2 is debatable.
Welcome aboard, you poor fucker.
More than just being explanatory of today’s political world and how truth is ignored for rhetoric and whatever can incite the masses against any opposition, one part of that sticks out as so true it’s scary.
It’s the only place in the universe where 2+2 is debatable.
You would think adults all across the political spectrum could agree on that elementary concept, but they don’t. Because one side of the political spectrum has made it their goal for at least 4 years, to oppose anything coming from the current administration, 2+2 does not equal 4 if this administration or anyone speaking in favor of this administration is the one saying it. The Maddow/Brown debate is a perfect instances in a long, long list of other equally amazing 2+2 does not equal 4 examples. The fact that Ms. Maddow has said on her show, said in interviews, taken out a full page add to alert the world of the simple fact that unequivocally and emphatically she is not running against Scott Brown doesn’t matter to the party of “Hell NO!” because to them, 2+2 is not 4 and it is Scott Brown’s 2+2=3 equation that is the fundamental truth here.
The argument that this ‘2+2=4′ statement caused, ended up twisting logic until it no longer resembled its former self. Some where along the way ‘fact’ became, and is now, interchangeable with opinion,rumor and gossip.
Here’s an example
Keith Olbermann is biased and does slant opinions against the Right. But that does not mean he is making the news up and reporting his ‘rumor’ as fact. He may not focus on an issue like when a Democrat is caught having an affair with his mistress but he will spend 1/2 his show telling you about a Republican getting caught having an affair with his chief of staffs wife. Slanted, yes! but it is still based on the fact that the Republican did sleep with his chief of staffs wife. That nugget is truthful and not an opinion to be batted around until it becomes a truth in the eyes of the viewers[insert Obama not of US birth] . Keith Olbermann, no matter how biased he is, is still telling you the truth when he’s telling you the Republican slept with his COS wife.
2+2=4
This goes unnoticed because those who want to de-legitimize everything even remotely ‘Left’, stick to their guns with the idea that since Olbermann is truthful in his bias , then so is Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck who made the opinionated allegation, without a basis in fact, that this President was an white-hating racist, is telling the truth and is delivering a fact because Olbermann reported more on the Republican than he did the Democrat. What’s worse, Beck has spent so much time repeating this concept that it’s believed by 31% of those polled. They can’t differentiate the difference in a “liberal news show’ talking more about a factual Republican scandal is not on the same untruthful level as another show presenting their opinions as facts until they become believed as the almighty truth. It is a ‘tit for tat’ that they just don’t get. Sure the Liberals and Democrats opposed George Bush, but when you look at why it’s not like they were wrong for opposing him. The US just does not torture or we just don’t preemptively invade countries.. These are real,honest,valid and acceptable differences to have. Not liking the amount of time President Obama uses a teleprompter is just as valid of a complaint, saying he is therefore unable to run the country, is not!
And yet, like everything else, that statement is somehow debatable…
So, back to my fundamental question, what is the arguement [sic] to believe 1 biased source but not another?
Fox news,most of the GOP,Sarah Palin and followers,Tea-party members along with the most if not all of the rest of the people trying to de-legitimize the other side of the aisle, have decided that their opinions and allegations are just as reliable as being truthful as actual facts given by an ‘enemy source’ whether that be MSNBC,Jon Stewart,President Obama,any Democrat leader or any left-leaning person out there.
When anyone tries to point this inaccuracy out, either they really can’t understand the concept that opinion is not fact and fact is not fiction if it’s told by liberal, or they just don’t care because their hate knows no bounds. Either way they revert back to the concept of
You deem you are the ultimate say so on who is saying 1+1 = 2. And, incidentally enough, all the people you like get it right, and all the people you don’t like don’t get it right.
You are trying to process all this inside your own bias.
Your main problem, is you refuse to believe the bias of the broadcasters
Only when you understand that can you even begin to answer my question: How can we believe the truth when it comes from a biased source?
In order for me to understand, I need to believe Glenn Becks opinion that Obama is a white-hating racist.. when I accept this as truth, then I can see that fact given by a biased reporter and opinion given by Fox News are the same thing.
2+2 =4 is now debatable and depending on where you ‘lean’ is what your answer is. Keith Olbermann, because he is biased and gives more time to Republican scandals, is not factually correct when he tells you the answer is 4 unless you also recognize that Glenn Beck telling you the answer is 3 is also correct because they are both biased. So either both are to be believed or neither are.
I told you this was going to be childish,ridiculous and asinine.
This argument of ’slant and bias’ not affecting the actual truth is a fair point though. You can have a conservative explain a factual event and a liberal explain the same event and while the reasoning behind the event may be slanted and bias, that doesn’t change the facts of the event. 2 maybe a sissy-boy who liked to play with dolls growing up to the conservatives or 2 might have been a devoted pet-lover with a deep seeded love for parrots, but when added together 2 +2 is still going to equal 4.
It’s not that I am deeming only those I agree with as being ‘factual’ or that I disbelieve the other broadcasters, say Fox News, because of their bias. It’s just that I deem those reporting actual truths as being better than those reporting opinion as truth and that is the slight, but albeit glaring difference here.
Fox News is in the habit of reporting an opinion in a way that by the end of the day you can barely distinguish where opinion stops and fact starts and thus the opinion they started off with becomes as commonly accepted as the factual concept of gravity. For example, remember the ‘Czars’ Fox News went apoplectic on?
Obama’s Czars Spark Concerns Among Some Lawmakers
Although former U.S. attorney Alan Bersin and the late Russian ruler Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov appear to have nothing in common, thanks to President Obama, they now share a title.
The slant of the headline and first paragraph, makes it seem like the 1st time a head of a department was ever called ‘Czar’ was under President Obama. Then there is the slant of the story itself
Czardom does not sit well with Sen. Robert Byrd. Though slowed by age, the West Virginia Democrat remains vigorous in his defense of the powers ceded to the Congress by the Constitution. He said he believes czars are a slick way of governing without having to answer to Congress.
There is no constitutional requirement that czars undergo those pesky Senate confirmation hearings.
If you had listened to Fox and Friends during the run up to the election, you would have heard how then Senator Obama had tired of being asked whether or not he was Muslim and had said “Enough already. There’s nothing wrong with being a Muslim, but I have been a Christian for two decades now. Enough!”
“Will You Keep Your Kids Home the Day Obama Speaks to Schools?”
That was answered with a “yes, yes we will”. But why wouldn’t they, here is a former Muslim, who is turning this country communist, all you have to do is look at his ‘Czar’ list to see that… This “Unprecedented’… ‘First time ever’ talk to school children is something all parents should fear.
Missile Defense Agency's Web site features a new red,white and blue logo-described as 'scarily' similar to Obama's campaign logo, as well as the symbol of Islam
At 2200 words I realize that I could spend ten times that amount just on examples of this idea that Fox News takes rumor and allegation and reports them like they are fact until they become unquestionable fact, but those who would read it all already agree and those who don’t agree wouldn’t care if I spent 1 million words and 10 times a many examples.
Those of us who do agree don’t just ‘deem worthy’ those who are speaking for our political side, we deem worthy those who speak the truth instead of made up rumors. That is the difference, we chose to believe the ones who tell us 2+2=4, because they’re telling us fact. We chose them over those telling us 2+2=7 because they don’t like the ‘lame stream media’, liberals and this President saying otherwise.
You don’t have to take my opinion that Fox news has a problem with facts. (R) James Coburn echoed the same sentiment the other day. At a town hall meeting he said..
Sen. Coburn: “I want to tell you, I do a lot or reading every say and I”m disturbed that we get things like what this lady said [a women had questioned him on people being jailed for not having healthcare, which he flatly denied and said it made good TV on Fox to say this, but it just wasn't true] and others have said on other issues that are so disconnected from what I know to the facts. And that comes from somebody who has an agenda that’s other than the best interest of our country. And so please balance and be careful
He implored people to not to be biased by Fox news.
And what we have to have is make sure we have a debate in this country so that you can see what’s going on and make the determination yourself. So, don’t catch yourself being biased by Fox News that somebody’s no good.
David Frum, he’s a pretty big deal in the land of conservatives, said a few weeks ago,
We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.
There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?
I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead.
“Fox, like [Rush] Limbaugh has been pushing the Republicans to the margins, making people angry,…”
The agenda for Fox News is not the agenda of the United States, but the viewers have been lead by Fox news and others like them to believe that it is. Fox News is the business to get ratings which equals money, to do this they must stand out above all the other news programs, to do that they have to have a ’shtick’ and they do. They ask a question or comment a rumor, they revert back to that ‘rumor’ throughout the day until the opposition is asked about said rumor, and their denial of the rumor is aired, and that’s when the rumor turns into fact.
Example
“I heard the Seth Nobody liked to play with dolls when he was a little boy” a commentator on the early morning says.
“Is that so?” says the co-host? “Well Bob, drop that doll and tell us what the weather’s like outside”
Later in the day, on another gossip labeled “News” show on the same network this rumor pops up again,
“I don’t know where I heard this, but you know Seth Nobody played with barbies as a boy”
to which the co-host replies
“Well that would explain why he dresses so good.”
Before 24 hour news, that might go on for a day or so.. but now, it only takes hours until you will get a “journalist” from the same network asking someone in charge, or even another reporter on his show.. “People are saying Seth played with girls dolls as a child, do you think he should really be in charge of the more manly dolls like GI Joe?”
Now that this ‘rumor’ is gaining interest, because we all like the salacious more than the mundane.. other, more reputable news outlet being to report,
“Today Seth Nobody denied he liked to play with dolls as a child”
and viola.. Seth, who supported single payer insurance, started off his morning as a normal guy with just a different political view; but by the end of the day he became a ratings horse for a money and political power-hungry gossip labeled “News” network. Poor Seth is now a freak who played with dolls. This is planted and replanted throughout the cycle until it spreads through the viewers and becomes a known fact to them.Normal, upstanding liberal political leader Seth is just a queer-bait who cross-dresses at night when he’s home alone. You don’t want to vote with him do you?
You can see this process in action here..
Ignoring all the other examples in this interview, when the interviewer gets to the question about VP Biden’s comment of how the US will be tested under OBama, look at the bias that brings an utter falsehood into the world of facts as we know them today…
“..are you forewarning Americans that nothing will be done and that America’s days as the world’s leading power are over?”
Well, no.. no he isn’t. That’s just your biased making things up and unfortunately getting too many people to believe you.
Of course we go back to the other ‘fear’ rumor which has made into a ‘fact’ that too many in this country believe as God’s honest truth.. Socialism
“What do you say to the people who say Barack Obama will want to turn America into a socialist country much like Sweden?”
The only people who were saying that was that interviewer, Fox News who wants rating and candidates who want power. It started as a fear technique to scare people out of voting for him, then it was passed around by the gossiping hens on Fox News, then their ‘journalists’ reported that all important “People are asking….” it became not just news, but fact. William Randolph Hearst did this and it worked to make him rich just like it’s making Murdoch,Beck,Palin, Hannity and many others filthy stinking rich. Don’t believe me? Do you know what Rush Limbaugh gets for telling you these things?$400 million dollars!
Nah, he has no motive to make his show more interesting and keep his numbers up.
How about if they tell you themselves it’s all about the money, and controversy means cash.. would that change anyone’s perspective that they aren’t hearing truths, but what will make the person speaking more money?
With a deadpan, Beck insists that he is not political: “I could give a flying crap about the political process.” Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. “We’re an entertainment company,” Beck says. He has managed to monetize virtually everything that comes out of his mouth.
They are an ‘entertainment company’, and yet they’ve been able to convince most of the viewing population that they are the most trusted name in news. How is that even possible? Their goal is new entertainment and ratings.
As I said a few hundred words ago, I could go on and on, I could provide 1000’s of examples.. but those who would read it all already agree and those who don’t agree wouldn’t care if I spent 1 million words and 10 times a many examples, but in my quest.. I found an interesting ‘beginning’. Yes, the seeds were already there.. one only had to follow the 2008 campaign trail to see it, but something about this struck me like an “AHA! Here is where it really started to become true!” Because I think that up until that point, even with those at the town-meetings believing the rhetoric, it was still mainly a rumor. Until this broadcast sealed the rumor as truth forever. I found it on a blog called JOTMAN.COM. On this is site ‘Jotman’ has 3 videos shot the night of President Obama’s election win. One video is actually from Fox news the following morning showing a crowd of people at the gates of the White House, the broadcaster comments that they are probably drunk, her opinion of course, and then she draws your attention to the flag someone in the crowd raises, it is the Russian Communist flag. The Broadcaster is of course curious and wants this watched because ‘what does it mean?”, is it a sign?, do we need to fear this newly elected President or something just as ridiculous.
The second video is reportedly shot from inside the White House that same night, it’s the same crowd cheering at the gates, the man in the video sees the cheering and the flag and he is scared. As he says these are people coming out for Obama and cheering the fact that this country is going to change.. he just can’t believe what he is seeing. There is pushing and shoving, look there is the communist flag again, and torches! they’re all over the place it’s so ominous … it’s chaos!
Until you watch the video from the street.
The third video shows the crowd laughing,cheering,smiling and yes.. Chanting.
For the land of the free….. and the home of the… Braaaaavvveeee!!!
Not to mention USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!
The horror!
Yes, there is the commie flag.. but instead of asking what the flag meant Fox News decided it meant communism was here and they must fight it every step of the way. Fox news knew that morning, like the mornings after every election there was bound to be some pretty pissed off people and they were going to stir up that emotion and bank it. That story was the perfect one to drop the ‘Hearst’ seed and watch it grow. It was visual proof and with just the right question put to it, maybe another mention of it later, until finally reporting on as a fact in the later broadcasts, President Obama becomes an elected Communist .There was no need for anyone to hear the crowd, the silent view of it with the added speculation would serve quit nicely. Those watching Fox that segment wouldn’t hear the glee and love for their country coming from that crowd, instead they would see a possibly drunken presence cheering the fact that communism has now come to America when she elected an Communist, Marxist, Socialist the night before. Before long Glen Beck would confirm their other fear, the fear that this new president also hated white people.
We’ll never know what the flag meant one way or the other, we have video of the overwhelming happiness and pride in the country though, so to me it reinforces the rules of any political debate and that is …It doesn’t matter how civil a debate starts, when two opposing figures meet no matter if the figures are bound by the same codes as Tibetan Monks there is going to eventually be a ‘fuck you’ thrown into the debate and to me, this was just a big Fuck you along with a cheerful goodbye to the despotic way the country was run for 8 very long years!
Of course this all just my opinion, not a fact and it’s because I know the difference that I deem others who also know the difference to be more worthy of my trust that those who don’t.
I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes. It’s not that I would call the person telling me about it a liar, but I would assume they were mistaken. Lil Mike and I have had many disagreements but up until the last few months he’s always been a relatively rational person. So even when I was told about this remark he made on the MucheDumbre forum, I still didn’t believe it because even he isn’t that… backwards.
I was… wrong.
I know that Mike doesn’t speak for all Republicans, but he does tow whatever current talking point the rest of them are towing religiously. Even still, the other day when I 1st saw this theory in the comments section on a leftie blog reporting the news, I didn’t give it much thought because what intelligent,logical, and rational person would actually come out and say that since it wasn’t on TV, they just wouldn’t believe it? I mean the news told me it was windy outside, but they didn’t show me video.. so I’m going to call shenanigans! Jesus didn’t walk the earth because there is no video to prove it! Dinosaurs never existed because no one caught one on film. You see why this is such a retarded concept?
Now, I am not just addressing Mike in this post even though I am using a lot of singular pronouns, I’m not just talking to him.. (yes, Mike forces me to make this disclaimer now when addressing him)
Lil MIke
I’ve waited a couple of days to comment on this because I wanted to see what evidence turned up on, but so far, nothing.
So in the matter of Rep. Cleaver being spit on, I call shennanigans.
In the matter of Rep. Lewis being called the “N” word, I again call shennanigans.
I’ve scoured YouTube and I’ve seen various news coverage of the walk between buildings in question, and I didn’t hear anyone use that language. The walk was so heavily filmed by so many sources that it strains incredulity that not a single flip or phone camera didn’t catch it, let alone the network news cameras that filmed it. Rep. Jackson actually filmed it with his flip camera, so where is his footage? And no witnesses. Maybe Jackson has it on his flip and is just waiting for the right time to release it, but until then, it sounds like a political trick.
In the matter of Rep. Frank being called a faggot, there seems to be enough witnesses to confirm it, so even though there is no footage of it, I buy the story.
Interestingly though, several people near the person who called him that called him out on it. So that’s positive.
Since you didn’t see it on the ‘telegraph with moving picture-box’.. it can’t be true?
In my best Bill Maher.. “Really?
Of course it’s shenanigans that someone would call black man “nigger” in this country. No one would ever do such a thing, of course they’d call a homosexual a “faggot”, but those kind of people draw the line when it comes to using the ‘n’ word..
Is this how far you’ll stoop to ignore reality? You now have to see it on the picture box..?
Your reality must be interesting if you need the television to prove things to you. As for the spitting that you ‘ scoured YouTube’ for… it took about 15 seconds to find..
The incident shenanigan is at about 1:20.. you can see his head jerk back, you can see him swat his hand and after he walks away you can see him wiping his face some more. Now I know, John Madden isn’t there to show you a frame by frame but…
wait, what am I thinking, you don’t watch videos that are posted do you?
I know, you don’t believe it unless it’s on TV, but you and your people have lost their fucking minds
Really? Browning can stop it? Well we know who Palin is talking to with her tweet don’t we?
and her map of targets.. ya know the one with the cross-hairs
Means nothing.
Hopefully someone gets the assassination on video so you can watch the TV and see it for yourself since that’s what you base your beliefs on now.
Hey, don’t worry the GOP is right there egging it all on with “don’t tread on me’ banners draped off the balcony of the House.. They’re right there in the loop of all of this, I’m sure you oozing pride aren’t you? One can only assume that you and they have you fingers crossed that Palin’s target finds it mark.
Of course you hope it’s not caught on camera so you can deny it too..
”
Feet from the Capitol, protesters roar when GOP members fly a "Don't Tread on Me" flag from the House balcony"
I know that this next incident wasn’t on television, so it must be made up too.
One vulnerable Democrat in the post-health care reform era is Representative Tom Perriello (D-Va.), whose support for reform has brought him continual criticism. This week, one self-styled “Tea Party organizer” posted what he thought was Perriello’s home address, encouraging people to harass the lawmaker at home. The address ended up being the home of Perriello’s brother’s family, but the activist, Mike Troxel, took it in stride, saying, “I was a journalism major in college, so I have every reason to believe my research is accurate.” Laugh if you want, but this is precisely how the “journalism” works, circa 2010. This isn’t the first time Perriello critics have struggled with geography: back in December, Tea Partiers got all bent out of shape when they discovered that Perriello’s Charlotteville office wasn’t conveniently located in a way that facilitated their whining.
Since there wasn’t an explosion, it must be fake..
and the Stupak threats?
“Congressman Stupak, you baby-killing mother fucker… I hope you bleed out your ass, got cancer and die, you mother fucker,”
and
“There are millions of people across the country who wish you ill,and all of those thoughts that are projected on you will materialize into something that’s not very good for you.
But sadly, since it wasn’t a video tape on youtube it was probably just Stupak calling himself. By the way, what is the GOP’s fascination with male asses?
Nevermind.
Hell, this doesn’t mean anything either
and since a militia leader called for broken windows..
And on Monday, a former Alabama militia leader took credit for instigating the actions.
and got them, that tweet above should just be ignored because really, who would listen to such a thing? Sir-Han Sir-Han only listened to voices in his head, and Hinkley only did it to make Jodi Foster see him..
I mean really..
who would listen to such a thing?
I guess when the tea baggers meet in Washington on such an innocuous day as April 19 for their BRING YOUR GUNS rally it doesn’t mean anything,because that date doesn’t mean anything and they’re just bringing their loaded guns. It’s not like the anger we see in the spitting video will still be boiling. It’s not like any of the examples in this blog would ever egg someone on..
Of course you’ll just ignore it no matter what.. But let’s just hope the secret service doesn’t
19 April 2010:
Bring Your Sidearms and Longarms
To The Banks of the Potomac Pistol loaded,
openly carried. Rifle unloaded, slung to rear.
Bandoleer of magazines containing ammo.
We know the GOP would have allowed an armed protest of the war right? Especially an armed protest after all the death threats and assignations promises that you’ve decided are shenanigans and will just ignore..
I don’t really know who you are anymore, then again, maybe I never did. You keep saying you’ve never changed and are the same person you have always been, maybe I just never saw how reactionary and dangerously flippant you are until now.
Have you ever wondered what kind of people Republicans are ? I have often wondered what makes them so different from a liberal Democrat. I have especially wondered how some people, notably the gays , can fall in line with a party that doesn’t believe they have the right to exist. To me it’s like a black man joining the KKK, of course the KKK will take his money and take his vote if it furthers their agenda.. but they also want him wiped from existence in their world and would gladly do such a thing if they could.
Those kinds of questions are probably left to a psychiatrist couch. They probably have something to do with a need, going back to high school, to be accepted by what they perceive to be the ‘cool kids’. Why those who are fiscally conservative (and that’s the only reason they are a Republican) can’t just be a Blue-Dog Democrat is beyond me. So those are questions that just have to remain unanswered. The one we can now answer though is more general, more encompassing.
What kind of people are Republicans and what kind of people donate to Republicans? Well, thanks to the Republican National Committee…we have a list.
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They are people driven by fear, they have extreme negative feelings, hate if you will, against the administration, they are weak and cave into peer pressure, they are brown-nosers who want access, they are ego-driven and most of all they are reactionary.
Ouch. I don’t care who you are, that has to hurt. Then again, most Republicans are probably so ego-driven that they don’t realize that they are in this list, to them this is a list of those ‘other’ Republicans.
I’d ask Mike where he fell in this list that his party has said he is a part of, but he’s so far into the kool-aid that even hearing what his religious leaders really think of him doesn’t matter. Even though this is what his own party thinks of him and the other members, he, like the others who are either driven by.. well pick something from the list.. to turn their backs… Thou shalt have no other God beside the GOP and all.
On a happier note, we know what will be the issues for the coming up elections. Fear and we even know what kind.
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and we got a sneak peek at the signs we can look forward to.
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Fear of Socialism, huh.. that’s original
What’s sad is that there isn’t a single policy issue in the 72 pages of motivational material laid out by the RNC. But even that is not as sad as not a single Republican noticing that. They are running on hate, peer pressure and reactionary impulses of the easily frightened, what do they need policy for?
The worst part of all is a party that thinks this of it’s members. Why would anyone stand with a group that thinks so little and so negatively of it’s own people?
While others are probably enjoying this issue for their own reasons, I find it insulting and frankly unconscionable, but after seeing everything we have seen since a black man took office.. I can’t deny that in many case the Republicans nailed it. That doesn’t mean I think all of their donors and supporters are like this, not like they obviously do, but you can’t watch Hannity or Beck, listen to Rush or Beck.. support Palin or Bachman and not have a few of those things on the RNC list in your make up. The fact that this kind of ‘Faux news’ and ‘rhetoric’ is so popular only shows the amount of reactionary, ego-driven, easily scared people that have become a part of the Republican party.
One thing is for sure, those must be some damn nice “tchochkes” they give out to donors to make people ignore what their party thinks of them.
“Rob Bickhart, the Republican National Committee official behind the embarrassing fundraising presentation reported this week by POLITICO, has been paid at least $370,000 since last June by the RNC in salary and consulting fees
wow..he “makes more than the President of the United States” and as if that wasn’t enough..
Between Bickhart’s salary – he is on pace to earn a little more than $196,000 annually – and his consulting fees – which tallied $240,000 in the second half of last year alone – it appears Bickhart could receive north of $500,000 per year from the RNC
That’s a lot of money given to someone who was only able to come up with a ‘fear’ campaign geared towards the ego-driven, reactionaries.
Here’s a question, I expect Mike and some other Republucans to believe him, but do we really believe that Michael Steele didn’t know how his very own “finance director” was planning to “urge top donors and fundraisers to use “fear” of President Barack Obama to raise cash”? Whilelabeling party-members that way? Isn’t one of Steele’s job fundraiser? If so, would he really not know how the RNC was going to do that? I don’t know that I buy that.
Not that Steele will lose his job, they need him as the scapegoat if they don’t take back the House and Senate like they have predicted. I do wonder how being labeled these horrible things by their own party will affect fund-raising and thus their ability to finance the type of “fear” campaigns they plan on running.
“It’s clear that the American people want health insurance reform. They aren’t interested in Democratic ideas or Republican ideas. They’re interested in the best ideas to reduce costs, guarantee choices and ensure the highest quality care.
They’re interested in ideas that will put them back in control of their own health care.
Throughout the debate on health insurance reform, Republican concepts and proposals have been included in legislation. In fact, hundreds of Republican amendments were adopted during the committee mark-up process. As a result, both the Senate and the House passed key Republican proposals that are incorporated into the President’s Proposal.”
“Of the 788 amendments filed,67 came from Democrats and 721 from Republicans. (That disparity drew jeers that Republicans were trying to slow things down. Another explanation may be that they offered so many so they could later claim—as they are now, in fact, claiming—that most of their suggestions went unheeded.) Only 197 amendments were passed in the end—36 from Democrats and 161 from Republicans. And of those 161 GOP amendments, Senate Republicans classify 29 as substantive and 132 as technical.”
of course they still voted no..
Why is the only way to bipartisan cooperation is if the Democrats fully embrace the GOP plan? Shouldn’t the losing party be happy to get a seat at the table.. a seat that gives them almost half of everything they want? Is a bill with 49% (R) input and 51%(D) input not bipartisan enough when the country elected the (D) to decide the majority?
I simply don’t get how the GOP can get away with lying that there’s been no effort to include them. But,even more than that, I can’t understand this demand that they should have their way in total if the country is to see any bipartisanship come out of congress. Is it the prefix ‘Bi’ that throws them? Do they think if they do anything ‘Bi” then they are supporting the homo’s? (disclosure, I love the ‘mo’s.. and this one will back me up on that).
What?
Can you come up with a better reason why the GOP is so anti ‘BI-partisanship” even going so far as to deny it exists when the bipartisan components are so flamboyantly displayed?
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