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		<description><![CDATA[I just want to make sure I have this right. When a veteran opinion writer is accosted in her private life and asked an opinion, she is forced to retired because that opinion doesn&#8217;t conform with conservative ideology and no 1st amendment right  is afforded to her.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #000000;">I just want to make sure I have this right. When a <a href="http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/07/helen-thomas-speaks-her-mind-and-loses-her-job/" target="_blank">veteran opinion writer</a> is accosted in her private life and asked an opinion, she is forced to retired because that opinion doesn&#8217;t conform with conservative ideology and <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/jun/08/freedom-of-speech-usa" target="_blank">no 1st amendment right  is afforded to her.</a></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/who-screwed-dave-weigel/" target="_blank">When a conservative blogger speaks his mind in private emails</a> and those private letters are then released by his employer and he is forced to resigned for his private opinions,  no 1st amendment right is afforded to him.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">A President <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/8857_donkeygatebushofficialsbarreddemocratmascotaccordingtorandalllanesthezeroes;_ylt=AjXca.8GSmim_KJ4sc79Eqys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTVzZ2F1Z3AwBGFzc2V0A2RhaWx5YmVhc3QvMjAxMDA3MDYvODg1N19kb25rZXlnYXRlYnVzaG9mZmljaWFsc2JhcnJlZGRlbW9jcmF0bWFzY290YWNjb3JkaW5ndG9yYW5kYWxsbGFuZXN0aGV6ZXJvZXMEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwMxBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDZG9ua2V5Z2F0ZWJ1" target="_blank">banning the the rival  party&#8217;s mascot</a> because he didn&#8217;t  want the world to see them in a positive light? totally within the parameters of &#8220;OK&#8221;.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">When a military leader and his circle of aides, all still on active duty <a href="http://standardspeaker.com/the-reality-behind-the-mcchrystal-inverview-fallout-1.872139" target="_blank">thus having no rights to free  speech,</a> makes disparaging comments against his commanders and is forced to retire HE should be afforded all privacy and rights of speech because his views bolster conservative ideology.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">When a governmental agency restricts web surfing and tells it&#8217;s employees they will no longer be able to access certain websites while at work, websites like</span></p>
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<li><span style="color: #000000;"> Chat/messaging</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;"> Controversial opinion</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;"> Criminal activity</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;"> Extreme violence and gruesome content, including cartoon  violence</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;"> Gaming</span></li>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">the outrages is palpable because even though this is an employer&#8217;s internet and the people being &#8216;censored&#8217; are being paid by the government to work and not &#8216;game&#8217;,  waste and inefficiency is trying to be weeded out by the current administration to make government work better and cheaper&#8230; these people are having their 1st amendment and privacy rights infringed upon and we need to stop the totalitarian &#8216;thing&#8217; that was elected to office? Are you insane, incompetent or have your brains finally imploded from having all that resentment build up from not being able to say &#8220;Well, he&#8217;s black for one&#8221; in polite company when voicing concerns about the current President ?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">The predictable and  insanely large font on the Drudge report yesterday  leads<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20009642-10391695.html" target="_blank"> you to a story </a>on how the TSA sent a letter out informing employees that instead of standing around playing online all day while they are supposed to be working, certain website will now be restricted.  The comments on this piece should be shocking but I have become a reader of all comments sections these days because the stupidity that has taken over the &#8216;tubes&#8217; is growing exponentially and I am as unable to turn away from them as I would be any horrific scene being played out in front of me.</span></p>
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<blockquote><p><em>-This is how it starts.</em><br />
<em>It&#8217;s as if Hitler himself was in charge.</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>-Does Janet Napolitano fit either, or both of the following?</em></p>
<p><em>1.  The worst dregs of society gather around the tyrant &#8211; they are people of  weak character who trade servility for unearned wealth.<br />
2.  Accomplices can profit greatly from their positions in the hierarchy.</em></p>
<p><em>Fear  government.</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>-Sounds like China&#8230;.</em></p>
<p><em>-It&#8217;s amazing how useless the first amendment is to these people now that  they are in charge. Its how the left operates when in charge they  ignore the constitution and when they are out of power they manipulate  it to the other extreme and use its freedoms to harm, stiffle and  dismantle progress. Absence of opposition is the sole intent of this  administration like all dictators they must have no interruption of  their propaganda. Truth is the worst enemy of chronic liers.</em></p>
<p><em>-China does tha same thing and they are a dick-tator-ship. What are we? I  wonder if McCrystal is intrested in heading up a revolution, a military  takeover. It works for some countries. Now my computer will blow up in  my face, I will commit suicide (shot in the back of the head with a  riflea) or I will be sent to a concentration camp for speaking against  the King of America</em></p></blockquote>
<div style="overflow: hidden; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">What the hell is wrong with these people! It is NOT a free speech violation when an employer tells you that you can&#8217;t surf the web gaming and chatting while you are at work on their computers! Calling for a military take over because a Governmental agency head dared to stop employees from tweeting? These are the same neanderthals whose hair spontaneously combusted when they heard a private opinion and read private emails because  those of course are not issues of privacy or free speech to them, but we should overthrow the government because TSA said &#8220;no&#8221; to Instant Messaging?</div>
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<div style="overflow: hidden; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">It&#8217;s clear the small government these people beg for isn&#8217;t really small, it&#8217;s just conservative. It&#8217;s clear the spending they want curbed is spending for &#8216;those&#8217; people and not their own socialistic or ideological programs.  It&#8217;s clear that the privacy they want only belongs to them while everyone&#8217;s life in and out of the bedroom or doctors office should be fully exposed, and the freedom of speech they advocate is only for speech against this administration, not  the last one mind you, only against this one.</div>
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<div style="overflow: hidden; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">Wiretaps on your phone without a judge signing off on it?</div>
<div style="overflow: hidden; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">Searching your house while you&#8217;re not home and without a warrant?</div>
<div style="overflow: hidden; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">Holding you in an undisclosed location without benefit of the law, a lawyer or even your family knowing where you are?</div>
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<div style="overflow: hidden; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">None of that is police state,tyrannical,dictatorship.. But preventing employees from playing &#8220;World of Warcraft&#8221; while on the clock is where the military should step in and take over?</div>
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<div style="overflow: hidden; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">God help us if these people get their politicians elected.</div>
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<span style="color: #993300;"><strong>**update**</strong></span></h3>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">TSA <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20009804-10391695.html" target="_blank">backs off and caves into</a> right-wing extremism..</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;"><em>The <a href="http://www.tsa.gov/">Transportation Security Administration  (TSA)</a> reversed itself today, announcing that it will no longer block  TSA employees, using work computers, from accessing websites that  contain a &#8220;controversial opinion.&#8221;</em></span></p></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">Well there you go&#8230; the Right cried and now tax-payers get to foot the bill for government employees to access sites that could pose security risks to the country.. It&#8217;s a weird logic that says <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/rand-paul-on-civil-rights_b_582674.html" target="_blank">employers shouldn&#8217;t be forced to serve blacks</a> or <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/17/rand-paul-ada/" target="_blank">give access to the handicapped</a> , but they should be forced to let their employees have internet even if it poses a national security risk to the country, not too mention the Right advocates letting people browse online sources while we&#8217;re paying them to work.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">Ok, it&#8217;s not weird logic, it&#8217;s reactionary and more proof of the small minds that responds to each individual issue as being separate from the other, never seeing the whole picture because their world would crumble if they did. Let&#8217;s have a tax revolt, my taxes are really fair.  Say NO to socialism but stay away from my medicare and social security. Get out of our bedrooms, but ban homosexuality. Health options are between doctors and patients not government panels, but stop abortion.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">I don&#8217;t think we need a voting ballot as much as we need a map to keep up with all the twists and turns this bizarre party hopes  to lead us on.</span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Rush, Glen, Sarah.  Thank you Fox news,Drudge and Liz Cheney. Thank you Joe Wilson,Chuck Grassley, and Michelle Bachman. Most of all, thank you John McCain.  Because of the sum total of your greed, bias,paranoia and political agenda, one of the highest ranking officers and his inner circle felt it was OK to make [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Rush, Glen, Sarah.  Thank you Fox news,Drudge and Liz Cheney. Thank you Joe Wilson,Chuck Grassley, and Michelle Bachman. Most of all, thank you <a class="zem_slink" title="Election 2008" rel="wikinvest" href="http://www.wikinvest.com/concept/Election_2008">John McCain</a>.  Because of the sum total of your greed, bias,paranoia and political agenda, one of the highest ranking officers and his inner circle felt it was OK to make fun of and de- legitimize this President, Vice President and those this administration assigned the task of keeping this country safe and winning a unwinnable war.  If <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236" target="_blank">Gen. McChrystal felt safe enough to speak </a>about his superiors the way he did in front of a stranger, a civilian outsider&#8230; a reporter for <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236" target="_blank">a liberal magazine</a>, just how free were they in front of other officers,military personal and soldiers at the front with their disdain?</p>
<p>We know now that John McCain would sell the &#8220;maverick&#8221; off his back to win an election, but in the summer of 2008 that wasn&#8217;t as apparent.  Sure, we knew he wanted to win the election that year, what we didn&#8217;t know was just how far he was willing to go, not until he tapped Sarah Palin.  Sarah was a no body in the world of <a class="zem_slink" title="Politics" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics">politics</a>, she was a hot Governor who had a certain backwoods charm about her, but she was unschooled,unconventional and as it turned out unpredictable. She was also willing to go after her opponent in any &#8220;<a class="zem_slink" title="Dick Cheney" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney">Dick Cheney</a>&#8221; way she was told to.</p>
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<p>As with any other Vice <a class="zem_slink" title="President of the United States" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States">Presidential candidate</a> she was tasked with the job of being the attack-dog of the <a class="zem_slink" title="John McCain presidential campaign, 2008" rel="homepage" href="http://www.johnmccain.com/">campaign</a>. The  Presidential candidate cannot be the one to blatantly attack his rival, its  unbecoming of the image he is trying to put forth. A gentlemen, a statesmen, a leader can not be seen as petty and whiny, it makes him look weak and unfitting of the title President of the <a class="zem_slink" title="United States" rel="geolocation" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.8833333333,-77.0166666667&amp;spn=10.0,10.0&amp;q=38.8833333333,-77.0166666667%20%28United%20States%29&amp;t=h">United States</a>, so the Vice Presidential candidate has traditionally been tasked with the job of being the &#8216;pit bull&#8217; who attacks his foe.</p>
<p>Enter Sarah.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame Sarah too much for the type of <a class="zem_slink" title="Politician" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician">politician</a> she&#8217;s turned out to be because she sadly never had a chance. She was a small town girl thrust into the biggest arena on the planet. One night she was an unknown and the next minute she was historic. Every eye in this country (and a vast number outside this country) was looking at this newcomer and wondering &#8220;who was she&#8221;, &#8220;what can she offer&#8221;,  and more than anything else &#8220;What the fuck?&#8221;</p>
<p>Over the next few days it turned out that it wasn&#8217;t just the rest of us who didn&#8217;t know a thing about her, but the campaign that tapped her was clueless also. But by that time who cared, she was hot! Her wink, her smile, her red-bloodedness. The <a class="zem_slink" title="Republican Party (United States)" rel="homepage" href="http://www.gop.com/">GOP</a> salivated at the possibilities&#8230; could she deliver ? That answer was a straight up, resounding.. You Betcha!</p>
<p>From pal&#8217;ing around with terrorists, to &#8220;Thanks, but no thanks!&#8221; they loved her.   There was a visceral reaction to the <a class="zem_slink" title="Democratic Party (United States)" rel="homepage" href="http://www.democrats.org/">Democrat</a> candidate,  his name and his color struck a deep chord in people. I&#8217;m not going to argue that, those who know it, know it. Those who ignore it, ignore it.Those who don&#8217;t see it it, never will. But it was there and Sarah tapped into that. She outright lied about her &#8220;No Thanks&#8221; to the bridge to no where and what was the reaction? &#8220;Who cares! Leave the woman alone and stop attacking her! Did you see her wink?&#8221; Very early on the campaign learned that this woman could say what she wanted and it didn&#8217;t matter. People loved her and would accept her word as gospel and then defend her against anyone or anything that tried to correct her. She very quickly became untouchable.</p>
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<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;">“We want to fight, </span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;">and I will fight, </span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;">but we will be  respectful. </span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;">I admire <span id="IL_AD2">Senator Obama</span> </span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;">and his accomplishments </span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;">and I will respect him,”</span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;"> McCain said at a  Minnesota rally.</span></em></p>
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<p>I&#8217;m not going to rehash her campaign rhetoric, we know what her  job was and how well she did it. She was the attack dog who started the process of  de- legitimizing the President and forever tainting him as a Muslim, a friend of the terrorist, a Socialist. Like any child who is given praise for doing something well that an adult rehearsed with them, she learned to take it farther and farther. It was never meant to go as far as it did, but she&#8217;s just so damn cute when she does it so why would we stop her?</p>
<p>Even though Sarah Palin took on big oil and the result was a redistribution of their wealth to the pockets of every Alaskan, it was  <a class="zem_slink" title="Barack Obama" rel="homepage" href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/">Barack Hussein Obama</a> who was the enemy of democracy. At one point, it looked like John McCain might have actually come to his senses and realized what he was allowing was the same thing that had been done to him by George W Bush and &#8216;illegitimate black child&#8217; attack he waged against McCain during his first run at office.All of a sudden, it was like he stepped up and once again became the Maverick we could be proud of when he corrected a<a href="http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2194" target="_blank"> woman in his audience who was afraid of that &#8220;Arab&#8221;</a>. But shortly after that, he once again threw the maverick off his back, never to don that title again.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;">“I want everyone to be respectful </span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;">and let’s make sure we are, </span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;">because  that is the way that politics </span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;">should be conducted in </span></em></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><span style="color: #666699;">America.”-John McCain</span></em></p>
<p>And so it went.. the socialist, the Nazi, the racist, the Muslim Arab who was not even born in this country was elected. But the process of taking him down didn&#8217;t stop there, it only intensified. For a brief moment there, after the flubbing at the swearing in process.. there was actually hope that he could be ignored as the voice of authority in this county because he didn&#8217;t say the oath of office properly. Yes! We&#8217;re saved! He didn&#8217;t swear the oath, he is not the real president, we do not have to listen to him! But, like everything else.. this was taken from Obama&#8217;s opponents when he re-took the oath the next day.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to look back on now, it seems on that night in November a section of the population looked around and said.. Oh God, what have we done! Since then everything that can be done, has been done to take away any power this president had.  We watched as a lowly congressman was cheered when he heckled the president at an address before Congress. We&#8217;ve watched our most popular conservative voices call him a racist, and speak of his &#8216;regime&#8217; and then rewarded them for it. We&#8217;ve seen everything from his ears, his use of a teleprompter to his impressive education as reasons for contempt for him. In 2004 &#8220;Flip-Flop&#8221; was a political death sentence. Since the rise of Sarah Palin though, the practice of being one both sides of an issue(sometimes at the same time on different networks) has become a staple in this country.Extremism and Conspiracy were words used to belittle and negate liberals now they are mainstream and visionary.   Who cares if you agree that there are Death Panels and plugs to pull on grandma, who cares if you want to criminalize the census  while pounding away at Washington to follow the Constitution because the census is taking concentration camp RSVP&#8217;s, who cares if you scream YOU LIE at the leader of the country when it&#8217;s really you who are lying.  Who cares! Leave them alone, stop it with the &#8220;Gotcha media&#8221;.. we don&#8217;t care if they are lying this guy is an Arab who pals around with terrorists for God&#8217;s sake!</p>
<p>This long and winding road we&#8217;ve been on has a new victim. Stanley Allen McChrystal, one of the most disciplined men in uniform. The man who sleeps for just 4 hours a night, jogs 8 miles a day rain or shine and eats only one meal&#8230; This career officer, who graduated from West Point, who spent his entire adult life in the military, was the son of a career military father was  so confident in his position, and the stability of the &#8220;who cares, it&#8217;s the gotcha media who is at fault for not investigation the birth certificate of this ineligible presidency&#8221;crowd that he went on record and trashed his superior officers in a civilian liberal magazine.   Either that, or he just didn&#8217;t know what he was saying was wrong and didn&#8217;t understand the person in the room with him was writing it all down.</p>
<p>No, I just don&#8217;t believe he didn&#8217;t know. I believe that he&#8217;s watched  how over the last 18+ months, this President from his speech patterns to his birth place has been  reduced to a either a powerless,naive, community organizer who is dangerously incapable of leadership or he is a tyrant,destroying the very fabric of this country and should thus be revolted against. I believe the General felt he would be insulated the same way he was insulated <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/03/AR2005050301502.html" target="_blank">when he covered up the fratricidal death of Pat Tillman</a> and protected the same way he was protected when <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/20/AR2009092002920.html" target="_blank">he extorted 30,000 troops from the President.</a> He was given carte blanche by the people who didn&#8217;t care how outrageous the attack was, as long as it made into  the Foxnews channel and conservative talk shows conversation. He  was emboldened by all those before him and while he should be hanging in head in shame for the dismissal of the president and his advisers in a time of war, on the eve  of a &#8216;make or break&#8217; offensive he is instead exalted as the newly crowned Prince of the Right.  McChrystal/Palin 2012 prayers are already out on the blogsophere.  You don&#8217;t have to scroll through but a very few comments on any article dealing with this issue before you see the  ignorant ramblings of the &#8216;we don&#8217;t care, he&#8217;s an Arab!&#8221; crowd.</p>
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<li><em>it&#8217;s funny when some 1 supposed to be [sic]cammander  and chief knows nothing about military are anything else and has to be told what to say and do by his advisers can hold a position as he does? all he&#8217;s good at is flapping his mouth. i&#8217;m glad this general spoke his mind. so what his in the military he still has a voice and opinion. this &#8217;so call&#8217; code come on.</em></li>
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<ul>
<li><em>Big, big mistake. Obama&#8217;s inability to accept criticism demonstrates the fragility of his leadership abilities. This move suggests that Obama and his team will not tolerate opposing viewpoints on matters that are crucial to our national security. At least the man will be a &#8220;one-termer.&#8221;</em></li>
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<li><em>Obama looks like the tiny, petulant dictator that many of us have  suspected he is all along. His theatrical bombast about General  McChrystal just proves that Obama&#8217;s a tiny, incompetent fool.</em></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><em>McChrystal gets the last laugh, because so many of us see what he and so  many of our military see&#8211;that their &#8220;commander in chief&#8221; commands  absolutely nothing,</em></li>
</ul>
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<p>The same people who are screaming about tyranny and the dictator that is this president are saluting and celebrating the military general who belittled his civilian commanders in magazine article. The words <em>&#8220;Forgive them Father, they know not what they do&#8221;</em> ring through air and are ironically missed by the ones who devote their life to speaker of those words.</p>
<p>General McChrystal is another victim of the &#8220;Gotcha Media&#8221;. The Hannity&#8217;s out there are more upset with him for giving an interview to someone other than themselves than they are in what he said. They&#8217;ve skipped over the subtle implications of what was said and absolute destruction of the moral of the soldier fighting in this war. They can&#8217;t see how the words &#8220;clown and intimidated&#8221; when spoken by the military leader about the civilian authority can pit one soldier against the other and give fodder to our enemy to use to their advantage. They can&#8217;t see it because they just don&#8217;t care. They want this Muslim, Marxists out of power because Sarah told them how Barack <em>Hussein</em>,  pal&#8217;ed around with terrorists.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that I think Sarah Palin made Gen. McChrystal give that interview. I&#8217;m saying that people were starting to wake up around the end of 2006 and look around and get pretty unhappy with what they were seeing. Coming awake &#8216;07-&#8217;08 during a continuous campaign season like they had been Rip Van Winkle for 10 years and finding their lives were going to shit, their jobs were non-existent, the houses they were told they could re-mortgage into a better loan were defaulting.  Banks were giving their CEO&#8217;s millions of dollars in bonus&#8217; while their secretaries   and janitors were applying for welfare. They didn&#8217;t trust anyone anymore.  All that was needed was something to light the fuse that had been laying there waiting to be lit. Sarah Palin was it, in her they saw what they thought they wanted from their leaders and they were willing to ignore every lie she told and believe like it was gospel every exaggeration she spewed forth with because they want<em> so badly</em> for her to be genuine. Palin was just as much of a victim as they were. She was told that it was her job to become the pit bull, only no one told her that didn&#8217;t mean she was to be the pit-bull rabies and a thorn in it&#8217;s foot. She was a n00b to the Big Show and was just never able to learn the rules of the game, the only rule she knew was simply &#8216;Rubbin is racing&#8217;.  With her though, came an era where politicians are belittled and lied about, that part is not new but it has been amplified to the point were even the military feels they are no longer subservient to their civilian commanders. The scariest part of all of this is that these same people will break the rules that this country was founded on for anyone who they feel agrees with them, hears them, listens and will help them. They are babes waiting to be exploited.  The next generation will either be the last or the greatest of this country.  We will either break every rule,code and constitutional freedom we&#8217;ve fought long and hard for in the hopes of creating the unattainable Utopia  we had when we were children and someone else took of things for us, or we&#8217;ll shake out it and come together; putting the mistrust,the cynicism and the anger away and somehow become greater than we&#8217;ve ever dreamed of. Rome attained greatness and withered away, England did the same&#8230;the question we have to answer is, will we?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like I said in the blog,  &#8216;When does 2+2=4 become debatable? When it’s politics, stupid!&#8221; ,  Fox News adds 2+2 and comes up with 7. As if that wasn&#8217;t bad enough they get people to believe them instead truth and facts. They even pull the &#8216;Hey, we&#8217;ve researched&#8217; it card to back up whatever claim [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said in the blog, <a href="http://thevsj.com/when-does-224-become-debatable-when-its-politics-stupid" target="_blank"> &#8216;When does 2+2=4 become debatable? When it’s politics, stupid!&#8221;</a> ,  Fox News adds 2+2 and comes up with 7. As if that wasn&#8217;t bad enough they get people to believe them instead truth and facts. They even pull the <em>&#8216;Hey, we&#8217;ve researched&#8217;</em> it card to back up whatever claim they are making. Obviously if they&#8217;ve researched it and they are this adamant that their information is correct, then they should be believed&#8230; right?</p>
<p>Wrong.</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><em><a title="O'Reilly lies to Coburn: 'Nobody's ever said' at Fox you'll go  to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Oh yes they have." href="http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/oreilly-lies-coburn-nobodys-ever-sai" target="_blank">O&#8217;Reilly  lies to Coburn: </a></em></h3>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><em><a title="O'Reilly lies to Coburn: 'Nobody's ever said' at Fox you'll go  to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Oh yes they have." href="http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/oreilly-lies-coburn-nobodys-ever-sai">&#8216;Nobody&#8217;s ever said&#8217; at Fox you&#8217;ll go to jail if you  don&#8217;t buy health insurance. Oh yes they have.</a></em></h3>
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<p><em><br />
</em><br />
After Senator Coburn told a town hall meeting not to believe what they hear on Fox News, Bill-O decided he was going to take it upon himself to research his station and find out just when it was that anyone on Fox News said that under &#8220;ObamaCare&#8221; you would go to jail if you didn&#8217;t get health insurance.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong><em>O&#8217;Reilly: Well, tell me, what &#8212; because it doesn&#8217;t happen here. </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong><em>And we researched to find out if anybody on Fox News </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong><em>had ever said you&#8217;re going to jail if you don&#8217;t buy health insurance. </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong><em>Nobody&#8217;s ever said it.</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Well there you go, that solves it. This rumor was nothing more than another attempt of the &#8220;Lame stream media&#8221; to attack the honest hardworking fact checkers at Fox News, they researched this problem and found it to be an utterly false accusation.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">except..</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><br />
</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Beck: But if you don&#8217;t play by their new rules on health  care, oooh, here&#8217;s a new little twist. Have you heard this? <strong>You&#8217;re  going to be looking at a fun little stint in jail.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">and<strong><br />
</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em> &#8230; But if you don&#8217;t play ball with them now, <strong>if you don&#8217;t  get into their government health care, there will be jail time.</strong> And that of course was</em></p>
<p>Glenn Beck  told his audience on Nov. 12, 2009 that <em>they would</em> go to jail. The next day on O&#8217;reilly&#8217;s own show, Beck was a a guest and repeated the same claim.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><br />
BECK: You know, this is the first time in history in our country where,  just to be a citizen, <strong>just to not go to jail, you have to buy  something.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong> </strong></em>This doesn&#8217;t include the Hannity shows and  guests he&#8217;s had on who echoed same statements.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank"><em>Sean Hannity tells viewers,</em></a></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank"><em> &#8220;Penalties for people who  don&#8217;t get</em></a></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank"><em> government-mandated health insurance, </em></a></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank"><em>uh, jail time, a  possibility?&#8221;</em></a></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank"><em>November 10, 2009</em>:</a></p>
<p>If you just happen to be walking by the TV and the sound was off, you still got the news from Fox when they said at the bottom of the screen <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank">&#8220;Comply or go to jail.&#8221;</a></p>
<p>In a strange twist, a member of the Fox News team admits this was a falsehood spread by Fox News. Neil Cavuto<a href="http://www.strangerthanfiction.org/2010/04/14/contradicting-oreilly-cavuto-acknowledges-fox-pushed-health-care-jail-time-falsehood/" target="_blank"> has owned up to the myth</a> Sen. Coburn was talking about.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><strong>“I’ve<br />
researched this, and a<br />
number of Fox<br />
personalities had made that comment.”</strong></em></p>
<p>Cavuto mentioned this fact the day after the O&#8217;reilly/Coburn interview, and even then O&#8217;reilly <em>again</em> went on his and insisted that  Sen. Coburn <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/201004140083" target="_blank">&#8220;didn&#8217;t really have his facts in line,&#8221;</a> when it came to saying Fox News perpetuated the jail time myth.</p>
<p>2+2=7</p>
<p>If you are a viewer of Fox News of course you see that this is all just Lame Stream Media attack and spin, how in the hell could you see anything else? To you, Fox is just trying to keep the record straight and they are really having a hard time being the only name in news to give the &#8220;fair&#8221; and the &#8220;balanced&#8221;. The problem is, Fox news operates in another reality where they make up the facts and the research to back them up.  This is not the same as MSNBC spending night after night attacking Sarah<a href="http://crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/politico-rnc-spent-150k-palins-cloth" target="_blank"> Palin for using RNC donations for her clothes</a>, her <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3125537020080901" target="_blank">not returning the money for the &#8216;bridge to no where&#8217; but spending it instead</a>, or  her pimping for the Tea-Party Express which turns out <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35785.html" target="_blank">not to be a grass-roots movement but a Republican Political Action Committee movemen</a>t made up to fool real tea-party <img class="alignright" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/Bat_Boy.PNG" alt="" width="210" height="210" />members into donating more money. All of that is real, researched truth,  which is the opposite of what you get when you turn to Fox News.</p>
<p>Look, if people want to believe in leprechauns and unicorns they can, there is nothing wrong with that. Thought and fantasy are still free in this world even if saying them out loud isn&#8217;t in some places. But for a &#8220;News&#8221; network to be considered &#8216;fair&#8217; or &#8216;balanced&#8217; or &#8216;trusted&#8217; or hell, &#8216;news&#8217; they have to follow the same rules as the others. If they want to only report on the other sides scandals and misdeeds to make them out to be the party not to be trusted, so be it! If they want to only report on their sides altruistic ideals and actions to make them seem like better party ok. They can&#8217;t claim &#8216;fair&#8217; or &#8216;balanced&#8217; but ok, have at it. But they cannot just make stuff up and repeatedly get away with it.  Not if their goal is News. If their goal is money, <em>your</em> money..as much of it as they can get, then hell <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Boy_%28character%29" target="_blank">Bat Boy</a> journalism for everyone ! But stop labeling the product incorrectly.</p>
<p>This network has pretty much reduced themselves to, &#8220;Bat boy journalism&#8221; yet they demand to be treated like real journalism and will cry like scorned little girls the minute they aren&#8217;t taken as seriously as a Walter Cronkite-like news organization. Unfortunately for those of us who chose not to believe in unicorns and Bat Boy, we are forced to defend that which is slanted, but true because that slanted journalism is the excuse for the fake or made up journalism. The problem then becomes that we inspire more slant instead of more neutral.</p>
<p>If we didn&#8217;t have to live through the consequences of Bat Boy journalism and the voting populists I&#8217;d say let them have their sensational stories because like any Jerry Springer episode, they can be good for a laugh.  It&#8217;s when we would have to suffer through the choices of the &#8216;believers&#8217; that we get not just Jerry Springer on TV, but Jerry Springer in the White House that it becomes a detriment to all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not knocking Springer, but I don&#8217;t want this country governed by those who believe his show is on the same level of journalism as a slanted, but accurate,  Rachael Maddow.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was another interesting conversation on muchedumbre.com the other day. It started when a poster accidentally slipped into the politikal section, a section usually avoided by most because it&#8217;s a cesspool of insults,misinformation and retardation (which I say with love in my heart since I am swimming around in that cesspool with the rest of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was another interesting conversation on <a href="http://muchedumbre.com/forum/" target="_blank">muchedumbre.com</a> the other day. It started when a poster accidentally slipped into the<a href="http://muchedumbre.com/forum/index.php/board,77.0.html" target="_blank"> politikal section</a>, a section usually avoided by most because it&#8217;s a cesspool of insults,misinformation and retardation (which I say with love in my heart since I am swimming around in that cesspool with the rest of them). Upon realizing his error, he looked around and said..</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Yeah, I don&#8217;t understand how to play here yet.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>This was met with the humorous , yet essential, advice of&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><em>You have to throw in the occassional </em>[sic] <em>Fuck Off! and then I think you&#8217;ll have it..</em></p></blockquote>
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Anyone who is part of a community like ours, may  find the words crude, but they know the advice is integral.  It doesn&#8217;t matter how civil a debate starts, when two opposing figures meet, if one is bound by political party doctrine to <em>&#8216;deny at all cost&#8217;</em>, to live the motto of<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/26/palin-mccain-rally-in-ari_n_515026.html" target="_blank"> <em>&#8216;</em></a><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/91393-palin-jindal-balk-at-gingrichs-party-of-yes-idea" target="_blank"><em>just say Hell No!&#8217;</em> </a> it doesn&#8217;t matter if the other figure is is bound by the same codes as Tibetan Monks, there&#8217;s going to eventually be a &#8216;fuck you&#8217; thrown into the debate.</p>
<p>It was this &#8216;field guide&#8217; that brought about an insightful reply from <a href="http://thevsj.com/chucks-story" target="_blank">Chuck</a>, and I put it here because of the debate it produced. It is probably the most childish,ridiculous and asinine  debate ever held by adults, but once again.. when the party of &#8216;Hell NO!&#8221; meets anyone saying &#8220;uh, yes&#8221;  intelligence, logic, and reason is soon lost as you will soon see.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://muchedumbre.com/forum/index.php/topic,26611.msg429556.html#msg429556">Quote  from: uselesslegs on March 31, 2010, 02:40:42 PM</a></strong></p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>Maybe I can explain it a little bit with some other happenings around  the U.S.  Though they may seem very direct and to the point and not as  &#8220;left to interpretation&#8221;&#8230;well&#8230;let&#8217;s start.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Item One.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Recently  Scott Brown, newly elected Senator from Mass, has said and suggested  that MSNBC host Rachael Maddow is going to run against him during  reelections.  Through sources on his end, he&#8217;s said that she&#8217;s  &#8220;secretly&#8221; gathering up steam and will file and run.  Maddow has stated  on her show she is not running, has no intention of it.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>End of  story right?  Nopey.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Scott Brown was asked on a radio show,  following Maddow&#8217;s statement,  what he thought of her statement that she  wasn&#8217;t going to run.  He replied, without ever saying, &#8220;well, I guess  that changes things, har har&#8221;, and instead replied, &#8220;mumble  mumble&#8230;.bring it on.&#8221;  Implying that he still believed she was indeed  going to run and that he was ready for her.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Next Maddow, with her  own money, took out a front page ad (in the area of interests)  newspaper calling Scott Brown a liar and that she was definitely,  emphatically, not running.  She had/has no desire to run and that this  was getting silly and to quit saying or implying she was running and  using her name to collect campaign donations from individuals, with a  lie.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>His reply?  He said her front page newspaper statement  looked like it came straight from one of the writers at the DNC and that  he thought Maddow would make an interesting candidate.  Thus never  admitting that he (Mr. Brown) was in error and making sure to twice  &#8220;imply&#8221; through his choice of words, that Ms. Maddow was and STILL IS a  candidate.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Item two.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Nine members of a Michigan  Militia group were arrested and charged with plotting to kill a law  enforcement officer and then many others with homemade bombs, in hopes  of starting an uprising against the Government&#8230;oh and to battle with  the anti-christ.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>You would think across the Blogosphere and  forums alike, we&#8217;d see the individuals involved being denounced&#8230;but  not so fast mister fancy pants&#8230;they&#8217;re being defended.  Not by  seemingly other milita groups or like minded individuals&#8230;but  rather&#8230;by individuals who are making sure to note that anything this  current Government/Administration does is to be suspect and dubious.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>You&#8217;d  think something like this would be pretty cut and dry.  Wanna kill law  enforcement officers, check.  Wanna kill many more people with homemade  bombs, check.  Wanna be prepared and kill the anti-christ, check.  What  is our governments REAL agenda here, che&#8230;what?</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>What you  will find, in your journey here, will be two sides to the same coin,  almost constantly at odds.  Oft times from political stances.  Oft times  from personal interpretations&#8230;or both.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>It&#8217;s the only place in  the universe where 2+2 is debatable.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Welcome aboard, you poor  fucker.</em></strong></p></blockquote>
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<p>More than just being explanatory of today&#8217;s political world and how truth is ignored for rhetoric and whatever can incite the masses against any opposition, one part of that sticks out as so true it&#8217;s scary.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>It&#8217;s the only place in  the universe where 2+2 is debatable.</em></strong></p></blockquote>
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<p>You would think adults all across the political spectrum could agree on that elementary concept, but they don&#8217;t. Because one side of the political spectrum has made it their goal for at least 4 years, to oppose anything coming from the current administration, 2+2 does <em>not</em> equal 4 if this administration or anyone speaking in favor of this administration is the one saying it. The Maddow/Brown debate is a perfect instances in a long, long list of other equally amazing 2+2 does not equal 4 examples. The fact that Ms. Maddow has said on her show, said in interviews, taken out a full page add to alert the world of the simple <em>fact</em> that unequivocally  and emphatically she is not running against Scott Brown doesn&#8217;t matter to the party of &#8220;Hell NO!&#8221; because to them, 2+2 is not 4 and it is Scott Brown&#8217;s 2+2=3 equation that is the fundamental truth here.</p>
<p>The argument that this &#8216;2+2=4&#8242; statement caused, ended up twisting logic until it no longer resembled its former self.  Some where along the way &#8216;fact&#8217; became, and  is now, interchangeable with opinion,rumor and gossip.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example</p>
<p>Keith Olbermann <em>is</em> biased and <em>does</em> slant opinions against the Right. But that does not mean he is making the news up and reporting his &#8216;rumor&#8217; as fact. He may not focus on an issue like when a Democrat is caught having an affair with his mistress but he will spend 1/2 his show telling you about a Republican getting  caught having an affair with  his chief of staffs wife. Slanted, yes! but it is still based on the fact that the Republican <em>did </em>sleep with his chief of staffs wife. That nugget is truthful and not an opinion to be batted around until it becomes a truth in the eyes of the viewers[insert Obama not of US birth] .  Keith Olbermann, no matter how biased he is, is still telling you the truth when he&#8217;s telling you the Republican slept with his COS wife.</p>
<p>2+2=4</p>
<p>This goes unnoticed because those who  want to de-legitimize everything even remotely &#8216;Left&#8217;, stick to their guns with the idea that since Olbermann is truthful in his bias , then so is Glenn Beck.  Glenn Beck who made the opinionated allegation, without a basis in fact, that <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/fox-host-glenn-beck-obama_n_246310.html" target="_blank">this President was an white-hating racist,</a> is telling the truth and is delivering <em>a fact </em>because Olbermann reported more on the Republican than he did the Democrat. What&#8217;s worse, Beck has spent so much time repeating this concept<a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/75525/the-ultimate-poll-of-republican-beliefs" target="_blank"> that it&#8217;s believed by 31% of those polled</a>. They can&#8217;t differentiate the difference in a &#8220;liberal news show&#8217; talking more about a factual Republican scandal is not on the same untruthful level as another show presenting their opinions as facts until they become believed as the almighty truth. It is a &#8216;tit for tat&#8217; that they just don&#8217;t get. Sure the Liberals and Democrats opposed George Bush, but when you look at why it&#8217;s not like they were wrong for opposing him. The US just does not torture or we just don&#8217;t preemptively  invade countries.. These are real,honest,valid and acceptable differences to have. Not liking the amount of time President Obama uses a teleprompter is just as valid of a complaint, saying he<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/18/teleprompter-cpac/" target="_blank"> is therefore  unable to run the country, is not!</a></p>
<p>And yet, like everything else, that statement is somehow debatable&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>So, back to my fundamental question, what is the arguement </strong></em><strong>[sic]</strong><em><strong> to believe 1 biased source but not another?</strong></em></p></blockquote>
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<p>Fox news,most of the GOP,Sarah Palin and followers,Tea-party members along with the most if not all of the rest of the people trying to de-legitimize the other side of the aisle, have decided that their opinions and allegations are just as reliable as being truthful as actual <em>facts </em>given by an &#8216;enemy source&#8217; whether that be MSNBC,Jon Stewart,President Obama,any Democrat leader or any left-leaning person out there.<br />
When anyone tries to point this inaccuracy out, either they really can&#8217;t understand the concept that opinion is not fact and fact is not fiction if it&#8217;s told by liberal, or they just don&#8217;t care because their hate knows no bounds. Either way  they revert back to the concept of</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>You deem you are the ultimate say so on who is saying 1+1 = 2. And, incidentally enough, all the people you like get it right, and all the people you don&#8217;t like don&#8217;t get it right.</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>You are trying to process all this inside your own bias.</strong></em><strong><em> </em></strong></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>Your main problem, is you refuse to believe the bias of the broadcasters</em></strong><strong><em> </em></strong></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>Only when you understand that can you even begin to answer my question:  How can we believe the truth when it comes from a biased source?</em></strong></p></blockquote>
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<p>In order for <em>me</em> to understand, I need to believe Glenn Becks opinion that Obama is a white-hating racist.. when I accept this as truth, then I can see that  <em>fact </em>given by a biased reporter and <em>opinion</em> given by Fox News are the same thing.</p>
<p>2+2 =4 is now debatable and depending on where you &#8216;lean&#8217; is what your answer is. Keith Olbermann, because he is biased and gives more time to Republican scandals, is not factually correct when he tells you the answer is 4 unless you also recognize that Glenn Beck telling you the answer is 3 is also correct because they are both biased. So either both are to be believed or neither are.</p>
<p>I told you this was going to be childish,ridiculous and asinine.</p>
<p>This argument of &#8217;slant and bias&#8217; not affecting the actual truth is a fair point though.  You can have a conservative explain  a factual event and a liberal  explain  the same event and while the reasoning behind the event may be slanted and bias, that doesn&#8217;t change the facts of the event.  2 maybe a sissy-boy who liked to play with dolls growing up to the conservatives or 2 might have been a devoted pet-lover with a deep seeded love for parrots, but when added together 2 +2 is still going to equal 4.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I am deeming only those I agree with as being &#8216;factual&#8217; or that I disbelieve the other broadcasters, say Fox News, because of their bias.  It&#8217;s just that I deem those reporting  actual truths as being better than those reporting opinion as truth and that is the slight, but albeit glaring difference here.</p>
<p>Fox News is in the habit of reporting an opinion in a way that by the end of the day you can barely distinguish where opinion stops and fact starts and thus the opinion they started off with becomes as commonly accepted as the factual concept of gravity. For example, remember the<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/17/obamas-czars-spark-concerns-lawmakers/" target="_blank"> &#8216;Czars&#8217; Fox News went apoplectic on?</a></p>
<h4 id="story-title" style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #333399;">Obama&#8217;s Czars Spark Concerns Among Some Lawmakers</span></h4>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #333399;"><em>Although former U.S. attorney Alan Bersin and the late Russian ruler  Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov appear to have nothing in common, thanks  to President Obama, they now share a title.</em></span></p>
<p>The slant of the headline and first paragraph, makes it seem like the 1st time a head of a department was ever called &#8216;Czar&#8217; was under President Obama.  Then there is the slant of the story itself</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #000080;"><em>Czardom does not sit well with Sen. Robert Byrd. Though slowed by  age, the West Virginia Democrat remains vigorous in his defense of the  powers ceded to the Congress by the Constitution. He said he believes  czars are a slick way of governing without having to answer to Congress.</em></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #000080;"><em>There is no constitutional requirement that czars undergo those pesky  Senate confirmation hearings.</em></span></p>
<p>Yes, those &#8216;pesky&#8217; Senate confirmations.</p>
<p>If you watched Fox News during this &#8220;Fox News made up conspiracy&#8221; you would have thought <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/" target="_blank">Red Dawn</a> was no longer fiction and we had been invaded by Russians, and with good reason! Glenn Beck let us know that President Obama, just a few short months into his 1st year, <a href="http://glennbeck.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/09/rise-of-the-czars/" target="_blank">had 19 Czars and counting, compared to only 4 Czars in all of George Bush&#8217;s time.</a> A month later, Greta Van Susteren  let us know that number<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531363,00.html" target="_blank"> had climbed to 30, she also raised the number of George Bush&#8217;s number of Czars from Beck&#8217;s 4 to 12</a>. Who wouldn&#8217;t look at that and wonder, after being told how Communist President Obama was, what the hell was going on. The problem is, by most counts<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/15/AR2009091501424.html" target="_blank"> George Bush has 36 Czars filled by 46 different people. </a>That&#8217;s a grand difference than Beck&#8217;s 4 and Greta&#8217;s 12. But this bad information was propagated day and night throughout the Fox News  &#8220;Fair and Balanced&#8221; 24 hour rotations.</p>
<p>If you had listened to Fox and Friends during the run up to the election,  you would have heard how then Senator Obama had tired of being asked whether or not he was Muslim and had said <em>&#8220;Enough already. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with being a Muslim, but I have been a Christian for two decades now. Enough!&#8221;<br />
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<p><em> </em>When in fact, what he said was that<a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/22/531492.aspx" target="_blank"> he had been a Christian his entire life.</a></p>
<p>Does anyone remember the &#8216;indoctrinating our youth&#8217; hoopla made up by Fox News?</p>
<h4 id="story-title" style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/02/critics-decry-obamas-indoctrination-plan-students/" target="_blank">Critics Decry Obama&#8217;s &#8216;Indoctrination&#8217; Plan for  Students</a></h4>
<p>Which of course led to Fox&#8217;s next big question</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">&#8220;<strong>Will You Keep Your Kids Home the Day Obama Speaks to Schools?&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><strong><br />
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<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/parents-choose-allow-kids-hear-obamas-national-address/" target="_blank">That was answered with a &#8220;yes, yes we will&#8221;</a>.  But why wouldn&#8217;t they, here is a former Muslim, who is turning this country communist, all you have to do is look at his &#8216;Czar&#8217; list to see that&#8230; This &#8220;Unprecedented&#8217;&#8230;  &#8216;First time ever&#8217; talk to school children is something <em>all </em>parents should fear.</p>
<p>Except it was not &#8216;unprecedented&#8217;. It was not the first time it&#8217;s been done, <a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/03/arne-duncan/barack-obama-not-first-president-address-school-ch/" target="_blank">Republican Presidents have done it before.</a></p>
<p>What about this symbol?</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 463px"><a href="http://www.thepoliticalcarnival.net/2010/02/fox-news-missile-defense-logo-combined.html"><img class=" " src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mupm2BmIjtc/S4XptOv3smI/AAAAAAAAKdA/KEXS65KY0iI/s1600/missile%2Bdefense%2Bagency%2Blogo%2BIslam%2BObama.jpg" alt="Missle Defense Agencys Web site featires a new red,white and blue logo-described as scarily similar to Obamas campaign logo, as well as the symbol of Islam" width="453" height="480" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Missile Defense Agency&#39;s Web site features a new red,white and blue logo-described as &#39;scarily&#39; similar to Obama&#39;s campaign logo, as well as the symbol of Islam</p></div>
<p>Fox didn&#8217;t let the fact that <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/02/logo-missile-defense-agency.html" target="_blank">this symbol was chosen more than 3 years ago</a> interfere with informing you of how Islam was coming for America, while <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35644376/" target="_blank">Rachael Maddow spent her time thoroughly de-bunking this myth</a> before it could make it into another Fox-made rumor turned into fact. Unfortunately it made it&#8217;s way throughout<a href="http://loganswarning.com/2010/02/23/us-missile-defense-agency-changes-logo-to-obamaislamic-crescent-hybrid/" target="_blank"> the blog-sphere anyway</a>, even with the o<a href="http://biggovernment.com/fgaffney/2010/02/27/it-cant-be-true-more-on-that-missile-defense-agency-logo/#more-81402" target="_blank">riginal blogger retracting his accusation </a>.</p>
<p>At 2200 words I realize that I could spend ten times that amount just on examples of this idea  that Fox News takes rumor and allegation and reports them like they are fact until they become unquestionable fact, but those who would read it all already agree and those who don&#8217;t agree wouldn&#8217;t care if I spent 1 million words and 10 times a many examples.</p>
<p>Those of us who do agree  don&#8217;t just &#8216;deem worthy&#8217; those who are speaking for our political side, we deem worthy those who speak the truth instead of made up rumors. That is the difference,  we chose to believe the ones who tell us 2+2=4,  because  they&#8217;re telling us fact. We chose them over those telling us 2+2=7 because they don&#8217;t like the &#8216;lame stream media&#8217;, liberals and this President saying otherwise.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to take my opinion that Fox news has a problem with facts. (R) James Coburn echoed the same sentiment the other day. <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/06/coburn-fox-news-biased/" target="_blank">At a town hall meeting he said</a>..</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>Sen. Coburn: &#8220;I want to tell you, I do a lot or reading every say and I&#8221;m disturbed that we get things like what this lady said </em>[a women had questioned him on people being jailed for not having healthcare, which he flatly denied and said it made good TV on Fox to say this, but it just wasn't true] </strong><strong><em>and others have said on other issues that are so disconnected from what I know to the facts. And that comes from somebody who has an agenda that&#8217;s other than the best interest of our country. And so please balance and be careful</em></strong></p></blockquote>
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<p>He implored people to not to be biased by Fox news.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><em><strong>And what we have to have is make sure we have a debate in this  country so that you can see what’s going on and make the determination  yourself. So, don’t catch yourself being biased by Fox News that  somebody’s no good. </strong></em></p>
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<p>David Frum, he&#8217;s a pretty big deal in the land of conservatives, said a few weeks ago,</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/frum-republicans-work-fox-news-now" target="_blank"><strong><em>Frum: &#8220;Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us, and now   we are discovering we work for Fox.&#8221;</em></strong></a></p></blockquote>
<p>He was called into the bosses office the next morning and fired, but <a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/03/25/2242655.aspx" target="_blank">he says it wasn&#8217;t because of what he said</a>.  Frum also posted a<a href="http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo" target="_blank"> blog</a> saying&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement,  and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But  they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had  whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making  was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to  murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your  voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated  talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing  them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk  has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected  leaders to lead.</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Just the other day, <a href="http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/04/fox-news-pushing-republicans-to-margins-conservative-pundit-david-frum-tells-cnns-reliable-sources-is-he-right.html" target="_blank">Frum said</a></p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>“Fox, like [Rush] Limbaugh has been pushing the Republicans to the  margins, making people angry,&#8230;”</em></strong></p></blockquote>
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The agenda for Fox News is not the agenda of the United States, but the viewers have been lead by Fox news and others like them to believe that it is. Fox News is the business to get ratings which equals money, to do this they must stand out above all the other news programs, to do that they have to have a &#8217;shtick&#8217; and they do. They ask a question or comment a rumor, they revert back to that &#8216;rumor&#8217;  throughout the day until the opposition is asked about said rumor, and their denial of the rumor is aired, and that&#8217;s when the rumor turns into fact.</p>
<p>Example</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>I heard the Seth Nobody liked to play with dolls when he was a little boy&#8221;</em> a commentator on the early morning says.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Is that so?&#8221;</em> says the co-host?<em> &#8220;Well Bob, drop that doll and tell us what the weather&#8217;s like outside&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Later in the day, on another gossip labeled &#8220;News&#8221;  show on the same network this rumor pops up again,</p>
<p><em>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know where I heard this, but you know Seth Nobody played with barbies as a boy&#8221;</em></p>
<p>to which the co-host replies</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Well that would explain why he dresses so good.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Before 24 hour news, that might go on for a day or so.. but now, it only takes hours until  you will get a &#8220;journalist&#8221; from the same network asking someone in charge, or even another reporter on his show..<em> &#8220;People are saying Seth played with girls dolls as a child, do you think he should really be in charge of the more manly dolls like GI Joe?&#8221; </em></p>
<p>Now that this &#8216;rumor&#8217; is gaining interest, because we all like the salacious more than the mundane.. other, more reputable news outlet being to report,</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Today Seth Nobody denied he liked to play with dolls as a child&#8221;</em></p>
<p>and viola.. Seth, who supported single payer insurance, started off his morning as a normal guy with just a different political view; but by the end of the day he became a ratings horse for a money and political power-hungry gossip labeled &#8220;News&#8221; network. Poor Seth is now a freak who played with dolls. This is planted and replanted throughout the cycle until it spreads through the viewers and becomes  a known fact to them.Normal, upstanding liberal political leader Seth is just a queer-bait who cross-dresses at night when he&#8217;s home alone. You don&#8217;t want to vote with him do you?</p>
<p>You can see this process in action here..</p>
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<p>Ignoring all the other examples in this interview, when the interviewer gets to the question about VP Biden&#8217;s comment of how the US will be tested under OBama, look at the bias that brings an utter falsehood into the world of facts as we know them today&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;..are you forewarning Americans that nothing will be done and that America&#8217;s days as the world&#8217;s leading power are over?&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, no.. no he isn&#8217;t. That&#8217;s just your biased making things up and unfortunately getting too many people to believe you.</p>
<p>Of course we go back to the other &#8216;fear&#8217; rumor which has made into a &#8216;fact&#8217; that too many in this country believe as God&#8217;s honest truth.. Socialism</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;What do you say to the people who say Barack Obama will want to turn America into a socialist country much like Sweden?&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The only people who were saying that was that interviewer, Fox News who wants rating and candidates who want power. It started as a fear technique to scare people out of voting for him, then it was passed around by the gossiping hens on Fox News, then their &#8216;journalists&#8217; reported that all important  <em>&#8220;People are asking&#8230;.&#8221; </em> it became not just news, but fact. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst#Yellow_journalism" target="_blank">William Randolph Hearst did this </a>and it worked to make him rich just like it&#8217;s making Murdoch,Beck,Palin, Hannity and many others filthy stinking rich. Don&#8217;t believe me? Do you know what Rush Limbaugh gets for telling you these things?<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/02/living-limbaugh-400-milli_n_110449.html" target="_blank">$400 million dollars!</a></p>
<p>Nah, he has no motive to make his show more interesting and keep his numbers up.</p>
<p>How about if they tell you themselves it&#8217;s all about the money, and controversy means cash.. would that change anyone&#8217;s perspective that they aren&#8217;t hearing truths, but what will make the person speaking more money?</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em><a href="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0426/entertainment-fox-news-simon-schuster-glenn-beck-inc.html" target="_blank">With a deadpan, Beck insists that he is not political:</a> &#8220;I could give a  flying crap about the political process.&#8221; Making money, on the other  hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage.  &#8220;We&#8217;re an entertainment company,&#8221; Beck says. He has managed to monetize  virtually everything that comes out of his mouth.</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>They are an &#8216;entertainment company&#8217;, and yet they&#8217;ve been able to convince most of the viewing population that they are the most trusted name in news. How is that even possible? Their goal is new entertainment and ratings.</p>
<p>As I said a few hundred words ago, I could go on and on, I could provide 1000&#8217;s of examples.. but those who would read it all already agree and those who don&#8217;t agree  wouldn&#8217;t care if I spent 1 million words and 10 times a many examples, but in my quest.. I found an interesting &#8216;beginning&#8217;. Yes, the seeds were already there.. one only had to follow the 2008 campaign trail to see it, but something about this struck me like an &#8220;AHA! Here is where it really started to become true!&#8221; Because I think that up until that point, <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14479.html" target="_blank">even with those at the town-meetings believing the rhetoric</a>, it was still mainly a rumor. Until this broadcast sealed the rumor as truth forever. I found it on a blog called<a href="http://jotman.blogspot.com/2008/11/deception-in-fox-news-coverage-of-obama.html" target="_blank"> JOTMAN.COM</a>. On this is site &#8216;Jotman&#8217;  has 3 videos shot the night of President Obama&#8217;s election win. One video is actually from Fox news the following morning showing a crowd of people at the gates of the White House, the broadcaster comments that they are probably drunk, her opinion of course,  and then she draws your attention to the flag someone in the crowd raises, it is the Russian  Communist flag. The Broadcaster is of course curious and wants this watched because &#8216;what does it mean?&#8221;, is it a sign?, do we need to fear this newly elected President or something just as ridiculous.</p>
<p>The second video is reportedly shot from inside the White House that same night, it&#8217;s the same crowd cheering at the gates, the man in the video sees the cheering and the flag and he is scared. As he says these  are  people coming out for Obama and cheering the fact that this country is going to change.. he just can&#8217;t believe what he is seeing. There is pushing and shoving, look there is the communist flag again, and torches! they&#8217;re all over the place it&#8217;s so ominous &#8230; it&#8217;s chaos!</p>
<p>Until you watch the video from the street.</p>
<p>The third video shows the crowd laughing,cheering,smiling and yes.. Chanting.</p>
<p><em><strong>For the land of  the free&#8230;.. and the home of the&#8230; Braaaaavvveeee!!!</strong></em></p>
<p>Not to mention <em><strong>USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!</strong></em></p>
<p>The horror!</p>
<p>Yes, there is the commie flag.. but instead of asking what the flag meant Fox News decided it meant communism was here and they must fight it every step of the way. Fox news knew <em>that</em> morning, like the mornings after every election there was bound to be some pretty pissed off people and they were going to stir up that emotion and bank it. That story was the perfect one to drop the &#8216;Hearst&#8217; seed and watch it grow. It was  visual proof and with just the right question put to it, maybe  another mention of it later, until finally reporting on as a fact in the later broadcasts, President Obama becomes an elected Communist .There was no need for anyone to hear the crowd, the silent view of it  with the added speculation would serve quit nicely. Those watching Fox that segment wouldn&#8217;t hear the glee and love for their country coming from that crowd, instead they would see a possibly drunken presence cheering the fact that communism has now come to America when she elected an Communist, Marxist, Socialist the night before. Before long Glen Beck would confirm their other fear, the fear that this  new president also hated white people.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll never know what the flag meant one way or the other, we have video of the overwhelming happiness and pride in the country though, so to me it reinforces the rules of any political debate and that is  &#8230;It doesn&#8217;t matter how civil a debate starts, when  two opposing figures meet no matter if the figures are bound by the  same codes as Tibetan Monks there is going to eventually be a &#8216;fuck you&#8217;  thrown into the debate and to me, this was just a big <em>Fuck you</em> along with a cheerful  goodbye to the despotic  way the country was run for 8 very long years!</p>
<p>Of course this all just my opinion, not a fact and it&#8217;s because I know the difference that I deem others who also know the difference to be more worthy of my trust that those who don&#8217;t.</p>
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<p>I was&#8230; wrong.</p>
<p>I know that Mike doesn&#8217;t speak for all Republicans, but he does tow whatever current talking point the rest of them are towing religiously. Even still, the other day when I 1st saw this theory in the comments section on a leftie blog reporting the news, I didn&#8217;t give it much thought because what intelligent,logical, and rational person would actually come out and say that since it wasn&#8217;t on TV, they just wouldn&#8217;t believe it? I mean the news told me it was windy outside, but they didn&#8217;t show me video.. so I&#8217;m going to call shenanigans! Jesus didn&#8217;t walk the earth because there is no video to prove it! Dinosaurs never existed because no one caught one on film.   You see why this is such a retarded concept?</p>
<p>Now, I am not just addressing Mike in this post even though I am using a lot of singular pronouns, I&#8217;m not just talking to him.. (yes, Mike forces me to make this disclaimer now when addressing him)</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong><a href="http://thevsj.com/category/alwaysright" target="_blank">Lil MIke</a><br />
I&#8217;ve waited a couple of days to comment on this because I wanted to see what evidence turned up on, but so far, nothing. </strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>So in the matter of Rep. Cleaver being spit on, I call shennanigans.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>In the matter of Rep. Lewis being called the &#8220;N&#8221; word, I again call shennanigans.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>I&#8217;ve scoured YouTube and I&#8217;ve seen various news coverage of the walk between buildings in question, and I didn&#8217;t hear anyone use that language.  The walk was so heavily filmed by so many sources that it strains incredulity that not a single flip or phone camera didn&#8217;t catch it, let alone the network news cameras that filmed it.  Rep. Jackson actually filmed it with his flip camera, so where is his footage?  And no witnesses.  Maybe Jackson has it on his flip and is just waiting for the right time to release it, but until then, it sounds like a political trick.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>In the matter of Rep. Frank being called a faggot, there seems to be enough witnesses to confirm it, so even though there is no footage of it, I buy the story. </strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>Interestingly though, several people near the person who called him that called him out on it.  So that&#8217;s positive.</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>Since you didn&#8217;t see it on the <a title="Telegraph" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraph">&#8216;telegraph</a> with moving picture-box&#8217;.. it can&#8217;t be true?</p>
<p>In my best Bill Maher.. &#8220;Really?</p>
<p><em>Of course</em> it&#8217;s shenanigans that someone would call black man &#8220;nigger&#8221; in this country. No one would ever do such a thing, of course they&#8217;d call a homosexual a &#8220;faggot&#8221;, but those kind of people draw the line when it comes to using the &#8216;n&#8217; word..</p>
<p>Is this how far you&#8217;ll stoop to ignore reality? You now have to see it on the picture box..?</p>
<p>Your reality must be interesting if you need the television to prove things to you. As for the spitting that you <em>&#8216; scoured YouTube&#8217;</em> for&#8230;  it took about 15 seconds to find..</p>
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<p>The <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">incident</span> shenanigan is at about 1:20.. you can see his head jerk back, you can see him swat his hand and after he walks away you can see him wiping his face some more. Now I know, John Madden isn&#8217;t there to show you a frame by frame but&#8230;</p>
<p>wait, what am I thinking, you don&#8217;t watch videos that are posted do you?</p>
<p>I know, you don&#8217;t believe it unless it&#8217;s on TV, but you and your people have lost their fucking minds</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/teapartier_protest.png" alt="" width="275" height="240" /></p>
<p>Really? Browning can stop it? Well we know who Palin is talking to with her tweet don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4458926125_355ac52973_o.jpg" alt="" width="618" height="355" /></p>
<p>and her map of targets.. ya know the one with the cross-hairs</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://media.adn.com/smedia/2010/03/24/11/PalinTargets.58334.original.standalone.prod_affiliate.7.jpg" alt="" width="442" height="286" /></p>
<p>Means nothing.</p>
<p>Hopefully someone gets the assassination on video so you can watch the TV and see it for yourself since that&#8217;s what you base your beliefs on now.</p>
<p>Hey, don&#8217;t worry  the GOP is right there egging it all on with &#8220;don&#8217;t tread on me&#8217; banners draped off the balcony of the House.. They&#8217;re right there in the loop of all of this, I&#8217;m sure you oozing pride aren&#8217;t you? One can only assume that you and they have you fingers crossed that Palin&#8217;s target finds it mark.</p>
<p>Of course you hope it&#8217;s not caught on camera so you can deny it too..</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 477px">&#8221; <img class="  " src="http://brainshavings.com/images/roar-from-tea-partiers.jpg" alt="" width="467" height="350" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Feet from the Capitol, protesters roar when GOP members fly a &quot;Don&#39;t Tread on Me&quot; flag from the House balcony&quot;</p></div>
<p>I know that this next incident wasn&#8217;t on television, so it must be made up too.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>One vulnerable Democrat in the post-health care reform era is Representative Tom Perriello (D-Va.), whose support for reform has brought him continual criticism. This week, one self-styled &#8220;Tea Party organizer&#8221; posted what he thought was Perriello&#8217;s home address, encouraging people to harass the lawmaker at home. The address ended up being the home of Perriello&#8217;s brother&#8217;s family, but the activist, Mike Troxel, took it in stride, saying, “I was a journalism major in college, so I have every reason to believe my research is accurate.” Laugh if you want, but this is precisely how the &#8220;journalism&#8221; works, circa 2010. This isn&#8217;t the first time Perriello critics have struggled with geography: back in December, Tea Partiers got all bent out of shape when they discovered that Perriello&#8217;s Charlotteville office wasn&#8217;t conveniently located in a way that facilitated their whining.</em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>UPDATE: The call to harass Perriello and the dissemination of the incorrect address has combined to lead to something scary:</em></strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><em> <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34934.html" target="_blank">a propane gas line at Perriello&#8217;s brother&#8217;s house was cut. The FBI is reportedly investigating this.</a></em></strong></span></p></blockquote>
<p>Since there wasn&#8217;t an explosion, it must be fake..</p>
<p>and the Stupak threats?</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>&#8220;Congressman Stupak, you baby-killing mother fucker&#8230; I hope you bleed out your ass, got cancer and die, you mother fucker,&#8221; </em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>&#8220;There are millions of people across the country who wish you ill,and all of those thoughts that are projected on you will materialize into something that&#8217;s not very good for you.</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>was only caught on audio tape..</p>
<p><a href="http://audio.cbsnews.com/2010/03/24/audio6329439.mp3">Stupak audio recordings of threats</a></p>
<p>But sadly, since it wasn&#8217;t a <em>video</em> tape on youtube  it was probably just Stupak calling himself. By the way, what is the GOP&#8217;s fascination with male asses?</p>
<p>Nevermind.</p>
<p>Hell, this doesn&#8217;t mean anything either</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/39/2010/03/500x_picture_1_04.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="322" /></p>
<p>and since a militia leader called for broken windows..</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>And on Monday, a former Alabama militia leader took credit for instigating the actions.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>Mike Vanderboegh of Pinson, Ala., <a href="http://www.kansascity.com/2010/03/22/1830379/democratic-offices-vandalized.html" target="_blank">former leader of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern “Sons of Liberty” to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform</a>. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita.</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>and got them, that tweet above should just be ignored because really, who would listen to such a thing? Sir-Han Sir-Han only listened to voices in his head, and Hinkley only did it to make Jodi Foster see him..</p>
<p>I mean really..</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" src="http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/39/2010/03/340x_picture_3_02.jpg" alt="" width="340" height="213" /></p>
<p>who would listen to such a thing?</p>
<p>I  guess when the tea baggers meet in Washington on such an innocuous  day as <a href="http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/220476/april_bloody_april_waco_tragedy_oklahoma.html?cat=7" target="_blank">April 19</a> for  their<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2467028/posts" target="_blank"> BRING YOUR GUNS </a>rally it doesn&#8217;t mean anything,because that date doesn&#8217;t mean anything and they&#8217;re just bringing their loaded guns. It&#8217;s not like the anger we see in the spitting video will still be boiling. It&#8217;s not like any of the examples in this blog would ever egg someone on..</p>
<p>Of course you&#8217;ll just ignore it no matter what.. But let&#8217;s just hope the secret service doesn&#8217;t</p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong><em>19 April 2010: </em></strong></p>
<pre style="text-align: right;"><strong><em>Bring Your Sidearms and Longarms
To The Banks of the Potomac </em><em>Pistol loaded,
openly carried. Rifle unloaded, slung to rear.
Bandoleer of magazines containing ammo. </em></strong></pre>
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<p>We know the GOP would have allowed an armed protest of the war right? Especially an armed protest after all the death threats and assignations promises that you&#8217;ve decided are shenanigans and will just ignore..</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really know who you are anymore, then again, maybe I never did. You keep saying you&#8217;ve never changed and are the same person you have always been, maybe I just never saw how reactionary and dangerously flippant you are until now.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading Fox News version of Natoma Canfield &#8217;s plight and after getting over my disgust at the flippant skew of their story,I decided to see just what kind of people Fox news is playing to. I was sure those commenting on the piece would be as appalled as I was after reading that article [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/15/clinic-cancer-patient-wrote-obama-lose-home-aid/" target="_blank"> Fox News version of Natoma <span>Canfield</span> &#8217;s plight</a> and after getting over my disgust at the flippant skew of their story,I decided to see just what kind of people Fox news is playing to. I was sure those commenting on the piece would be as appalled as I was after reading that <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">article</span> tripe because who wouldn&#8217;t be? This idea that she <em>&#8216;may&#8217;</em> get financial help for the treatment and that somehow negates her ordeal was so outrageous that even the truly heartless,mindless,GOP sycophant must be taken aback.</p>
<p>Oh how I was wrong.</p>
<p>Before  we get to the truly ugly part of our society, the part that feeds on Fox News and GOP rhetoric..Remember where this started. Natoma wrote a letter to the President explaining her situation to him, she had had insurance and had paid it&#8217;s high premiums. She explained that last year she paid &#8220;<a href="http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/03/15/obama-canfieldletter.html" target="_blank">$6075.24 in premiums, $2415.26 for medical care, $225 in co-pays and $1500 for prescriptions.&#8221;</a> For all of this, her insurance company paid out a staggering $935 to her benefit. What a wonderful return she pays over $10,000 and the insurance gives her $935. I can&#8217;t imagine anyone looking at that and saying &#8220;A yup, seems right to me&#8221;.. but, they do.</p>
<p>When Anthem sent Natoma a letter letting her know that after being with this company for 11 years,  in 2010, her policy would be increased over 40% to $8496.24.</p>
<p>Natoma had to let the insurance go.</p>
<p>$8500 a year,  that&#8217;s over $700 a month&#8230; for health insurance. Is this normal and satisfactory to people? Are there a lot of us out there who could afford coverage for one person  for the great cost of $177 a week?</p>
<p>When did this become the normal part of American life, so normal that people across the country are not outrage just at that? $177 a week.. not for food,shelter,utilities.. but health insurance on one person? What she if had to cover a family of four?</p>
<p>That is where<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/15/clinic-cancer-patient-wrote-obama-lose-home-aid/" target="_blank"> Fox picks up her story</a> and where this blogs begins. Natoma said in her letter that she was afraid to think about where she would get the money to pay her bills now that she didn&#8217;t have healthcare. A perfectly reasonable fear, a fear that even people with insurance might have just because of the emotions  and costs involved. But to Foxnews and those who champion them, this is the pit of waste they decided to swim in. Instead of going after Anthem, they set their sights on Natoma&#8217;s fears.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>Natoma Canfield, the cancer-stricken woman who has become a centerpiece  of President Obama&#8217;s push for health care reform, will not lose her home  over her medical bills and will probably qualify for financial aid, a  top official at the Cleveland medical center treating her told  FoxNews.com.</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Sure, Natoma <em>might </em> qualify for aid&#8230; might. So there you go people, nothing to see here.. move along.</p>
<p>Of course  gold coins <em>might</em> fall out of her ears tomorrow too, but that doesn&#8217;t negate another in a long,long list of examples of an insurance company profiting on the health of Americans.</p>
<p>Natoma could <em>possibly</em> be healed by a local voodoo priest laying hands upon her, that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that insurance companies have gotten out of control when it comes to their profit margin.</p>
<p>If this &#8216;probability&#8217; stopped there, then maybe it could be seen as a &#8216;feel good&#8217; piece. Ya know, a <em>&#8220;Thank God, she has one last thing to worry about in this time of need&#8221; </em>maybe it would be ok. But it didn&#8217;t and as the comments show, it produced the exact feeling FoxNews hoped and always hopes to provoke in people. Of course &#8220;feeling&#8221; is a loose translation of the word as you&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Before that though, there seems to be this running theme everywhere of <em>&#8220;Well they can just get medicaid&#8221;</em> in one breath and <em>&#8220;We don&#8217;t need government healthcare paid for by tax-payers&#8221;</em> in the other.  A <em>&#8220;<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/28/mccain-health-care-emergency-room/" target="_blank">everyone has insurance because they can just use the ER</a>&#8221; </em>repetitiveness that somehow excuses the point of having to use the ER like a primary care doctor instead of a.. ya know.. <em>emergency room</em>. Here&#8217;s my question, who is paying for that cost when people who don&#8217;t have insurance use the ER?   Who do people think is paying for Medicaid ?  The Fairy-Medical-Mother? Do the people wiping drool off their chin from all their blathering about tax-payer government health care not understand that the medicaid they are telling Natoma to get <em>is tax-payer paid for government healthcare</em>?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they do.</p>
<p>While we&#8217;re playing in the realm of pretend, what if she paid the extortion to her insurance company and they dropped her after she was diagnosed with leukemia? There is an equal, if not better, chance that  would have happened as there is a chance that she &#8216;<em>might</em>&#8216; or will <em>&#8216;probably&#8217;</em> get medicaid or some kind of charity to pay her bill. Had she been dropped,  then what? Who cares because she could have gone on tax-payer government healthcare, but  as long as she doesn&#8217;t pay for her own government healthcare it&#8217;s ok?</p>
<p>The idea that anyone could say<em> &#8220;Hey  you know what? I think you should pay out $10,000 a year, get $900 paid back and next year pay 40% more and get back less.. &#8220;</em> Is pretty much the stupidest thing I think I&#8217;ve ever heard. But it seems to be the common thread these days.  She is after all only a house-cleaner, it&#8217;s not like she own AIG or anything important like that.</p>
<p>The idea that anyone would champion a system  that says <em>&#8220;Look, be happy.. after all those years of paying into this product and getting no return, now you can go on charity so quit your bitching&#8221;</em> is not only the stupidest thing I&#8217;ve ever heard but probably the most callous. I can only hope that  Karma X3 finds the people saying this with some event that forces them to seek help from a &#8216;charity&#8217;. I just hope they don&#8217;t meet people like themselves at those charities who tell  them to go find help somewhere else. Or worse, tell them they&#8217;ve helped too many this month so maybe come back next month and see if they can get some help.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re the best country on the planet,  the only SuperPower, the beacon of all and the best we can do is..<em> </em>&#8220;She <em>might</em> get charity to help pay for her illness and she <em>probably</em> won&#8217;t lose her house&#8221;?</p>
<p>As if that&#8217;s even a concern, after reading what the Foxnewies GOP sycophants  think.. she really deserves the loss of her home because she should have paid the insurance company their extortion fee and her mortgage and just stopped eating and watching TV, the lazy bitch.</p>
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<h3><em>jpd123</em></h3>
<p><em>South Carolina</em></p>
<p><em>How can  she lose her house?  I though Obama fixed the housing crisis, and nobody  is losing their houses.  I guess if she had paid her insurance bill and  skipped her house payment, Obama would have her up on stage supporting  his next housing bail out!  This guy doesn&#8217;t miss a chance.  Here&#8217;s  quick fix Obama, you&#8217;ve got millions.  You were able to raise 600  million for your campaign.  Why don&#8217;t you lend her the money to pay her  bills?   This is getting crazy.  <strong>She made a choice.  She chose to pay her house  payment.</strong> Millions of americans make choices every day.  <strong>Does she have a  TV?  Does she have cable?  Did she choose to buy those?  It&#8217;s called  responsibility and prioritizing</strong>.  She has to choose between food and a  house payment&#8230;does the government buy her groceries?  She has to  choose between clothes and a house payment&#8230;does the government buy her  clothes?  Where does it end?  Why not let the government pay for  everything.  Food, water, shelter are all necessities.  Like health  care, can&#8217;t we find imaginary rights in the constitution to cover those  things too!</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>That&#8217;s right, she made a choice folks. She should have paid her insurance instead of her mortgage and really.. she has a TV right? She chose to pay them, so there you go! She deserves everything she gets!  The stupid woman should learn to prioritize, doesn&#8217;t she know that the American Dream isn&#8217;t to grow up, work hard and buy a house. No! It&#8217;s grow up, work hard, pay your insurance even when they&#8217;re raping you.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s truly disgusting the level of bottom-feeder that the GOP and FoxNews has succeeding in producing. If that comment was the only one like it I would attribute it to a mutant strain of GOP, unfortunately&#8230; it&#8217;s not</p>
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<h3><em>macagcy</em></h3>
<p><em>Sad story &#8211; but here  are the facts.  This lady could have increased her deductible and  reduced her costs.  We could be having a fund raiser to pay her  $5,000.00 deductible &#8211; but no &#8211; the taxpayers will be paying the full  boat.   How can Anthem be the bad guy?  What do you think her costs are  projected to be?  Do you think it would have been cheaper to pay the  premium and have coverage or to pay no premiums and have no funds to pay  for the care?   Personal Responsibility.</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>How can that poor insurance company be at fault? All they did was continue to raise her rates to the point where she had to decide between them and her mortgage, shheesh.. it&#8217;s her fault for not just doubling her deductible, I mean she only paid out $10,000 in costs last year! Hello! Anthem gave her $900 worth coverage for it, what does she want.. more?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s gross isn&#8217;t it? I just wish that was it&#8230;</p>
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<h3><em>bigtuna2</em></h3>
<p><em>As a physician in a  town of 75000, I can say that everyone gets treated, and nobody loses  their home. Medical bills are the last things people pay. When someone  is evaluating your credit, the very last thing they look at are medical  bills</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>As a physician, I recommend we all just not pay our bills.. no one loses their house, no one cares that it&#8217;s on your credit and all those non-paid bills really have no affect on the system because the Fairy-Medical-Mother bibbity,bobbity,boos them away.</p>
<p>Are you out of your fucking mind? The solution to &#8220;paid for by everyone, shared by everyone&#8217; Universal Health care is? We just don&#8217;t pay our bills when we incur them because it&#8217;s not like anyone has to pay for it anyway.</p>
<p>Fuck me! Someone shoot me if I get this stupid!</p>
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<h3><em>dawnkessler</em></h3>
<p><em>New York</em></p>
<p><em>iamback:   Do you not realize that a lot of people are going through the same  thing?  If you don&#8217;t pay for your health insurance, you don&#8217;t get health  insurance.  Many qualify for Medicaid.  Everyone qualifies for private  charity.  Have you ever been to a benefit?  That&#8217;s what benefits are  for.  Why do all Americans have to suffer for the plight of a few?   There are other ways than allowing the Progressives to take over our  lives.  You only need a little bit of common sense to understand what  this bill is all about and it doesn&#8217;t have ANYTHING to do with health  care.  Everyone gets treatment, whether they can afford it or not!   That&#8217;s the fact that the government hopes to keep from people.  Open  your eyes and look around.  There are not people dying in the streets in  this country (yet).  The madness needs to stop now.</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>That&#8217;s right, why do all Americans have to suffer for the plight of a few..</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to end slavery,  why do all Americans have to suffer for the plight of a few?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to desegregate, I mean  why do all Americans have to suffer for the plight of a few?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to let woman vote and have a right to equal and fair treatment,  why do all Americans have to suffer for the plight of a few</p>
<p>There are other ways than following the Progressives like Franklin, Washington, Adams, or  Jefferson! We&#8217;re Americans, why do we all have to suffer for a few? Jesus! Everyone gets treatment anyway, whether they have the money or not and the great Fairy-Medical-Mother pays for it!</p>
<p>It just keeps getting better doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Do you think if someone explained that the &#8216;charity&#8217; and the &#8216;medicaid&#8217; <em>might</em> only kick in when the disease has reached catastrophic levels  and had the person had coverage before it got that bad, it might have only cost the tax payers and charity houses a few hundred dollars instead of a few million, they&#8217;d understand?</p>
<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t think so either.</p>
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<h3><em>mugger32</em></h3>
<p><em>Pennsylvania</em></p>
<p><em>While I  sympathize with this lady, wouldn&#8217;t it have been easier if she just said  she was in the uS illegally to get the care and not worrying about  losing her house? Hmmm&#8230;.maybe there is a problem.</em></p>
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<h3><em>jim4mich</em></h3>
<p><em>Michigan</em></div>
<p><em>if your to  sick to work then your to sick to cotribute to the masses so you are  exspendable</em></p>
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<h3><em>rickaware</em></h3>
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<p><em>Did you see the  floozy that introduced him in Strongville?  Not hard to see what kind of  trash she is.</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>That <a href="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/03/obama-letter-writer-now-has-luekemia-and-no-insurance/1" target="_blank">floozy-trash</a> was Natoma&#8217;s sister. John Boehner was right though, <a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/14/boehner-im-doing-everything-i-can-to-stop-health-care-bill/?fbid=J3O1qpqFs5W" target="_blank">the GOP is doing everything they can to stop health reform</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but after reading the stirrings from the FoxNewies- GOP sycophants I feel unclean. More than that though, I feel frightened that one day a candidate that holds these peoples beliefs as his/her own could one day rule this country. God help us when that day comes.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you ever wondered what kind of people Republicans are ? I have often wondered what makes them so different from a liberal Democrat.  I have especially wondered how some people, notably  the gays , can fall in line with a party that doesn&#8217;t believe they have the right to exist.  To me it&#8217;s like [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever wondered what kind of people Republicans are ? I have often wondered what makes them so different from a liberal Democrat.  I have especially wondered how some people, notably  the gays , can fall in line with a party that doesn&#8217;t believe they have the right to exist.  To me it&#8217;s like a black man joining the KKK, of course the KKK will take his money and take his vote if it furthers their agenda.. but they also want him wiped from existence in their world and would gladly do such a thing if they could.</p>
<p>Those kinds of questions are probably left to a psychiatrist couch. They probably have something to do with a need, going back to high school, to be accepted by what they perceive to be the &#8216;cool kids&#8217;. Why those who are fiscally conservative (and that&#8217;s the only reason they are a Republican) can&#8217;t just be a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition" target="_blank">Blue-Dog Democrat</a> is beyond me.  So those are questions that just have to remain unanswered.  The one we can now answer  though is more general, more encompassing.</p>
<p>What kind of people are Republicans and what kind of people donate to Republicans?  Well, thanks to the Republican National Committee&#8230;<a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33866.html#ixzz0h9hvuar1" target="_blank">we have a list.</a></p>
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<p>They are people driven by fear, they have extreme negative feelings, hate if you will, against the administration, they are weak and cave into peer pressure, they are brown-nosers who want access, they are ego-driven and most of all they are reactionary.</p>
<p>Ouch. I don&#8217;t care who you are, that has to hurt. Then again, most Republicans are probably so ego-driven that they don&#8217;t realize that they are in this list, to them this is a list of those &#8216;other&#8217; Republicans.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d ask <a href="http://thevsj.com/category/alwaysright" target="_blank">Mike</a> where he fell in this list that his party has said he is a part of, but he&#8217;s so far into the kool-aid that even hearing what his religious leaders really think of him doesn&#8217;t matter.  Even  though this is what his own party thinks of him and the other members, he, like the others who are either driven by.. well pick something from  the list.. to turn their backs&#8230; Thou shalt have no other God beside the GOP and all.</p>
<p>On a happier note, we know what will be the issues for the coming up elections. Fear and we even know what kind.</p>
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<p>and we got a sneak peek at the signs we can look forward to.</p>
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<p>Fear of Socialism, huh.. that&#8217;s original</p>
<p>What&#8217;s sad is that there isn&#8217;t a single policy issue in the 72 pages of motivational material laid out by the <a href="http://www.gop.com/index.php/?can" target="_blank">RNC</a>.  But even that is not as sad as not a single Republican noticing that. They are running on hate, peer pressure and reactionary impulses of the easily frightened, what do they need policy for?</p>
<p>The worst part of all is a party that thinks this of it&#8217;s members. Why would anyone stand with a group that thinks so little and so negatively of it&#8217;s own people?</p>
<p>While others are probably enjoying this issue for their own reasons, I find it insulting and frankly unconscionable, but after seeing everything we have seen since a black man took office.. I can&#8217;t deny that in many case the Republicans nailed it. That doesn&#8217;t mean I think all of their donors and supporters are like this, not like they obviously do, but you can&#8217;t watch Hannity or Beck, listen to Rush or Beck.. support Palin or Bachman and not have a few of those things on the RNC list in your make up. The fact that this kind of &#8216;Faux news&#8217; and &#8216;rhetoric&#8217; is so popular only shows the amount of reactionary, ego-driven, easily scared people that have become a part of the Republican party.</p>
<p>One thing is for sure, those must be some damn nice <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33866.html#ixzz0h9hvuar1" target="_blank">“tchochkes&#8221; they give out</a> to donors to make people ignore what their party thinks of them.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33995.html" target="_blank">Poltico is reporting </a>that</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;Rob Bickhart, the Republican National Committee official behind the embarrassing fundraising presentation reported this week by POLITICO, has been paid at least $370,000 since last June by the RNC in salary and consulting fees</em></p></blockquote>
<p>wow..he &#8220;makes more than the President of the United States&#8221; and as if that wasn&#8217;t enough..</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Between Bickhart’s salary – he is on pace to earn a little more than $196,000 annually – and his consulting fees – which tallied $240,000 in the second half of last year alone – it appears Bickhart could receive north of $500,000 per year from the RNC</em></p></blockquote>
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That&#8217;s a lot of money given to someone who was only able to come up with a &#8216;fear&#8217; campaign geared towards the ego-driven, reactionaries.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a question, I expect Mike and some other Republucans to believe him, but do we really believe that Michael Steele didn&#8217;t know how his very own &#8220;finance director&#8221; was planning to <em>&#8220;urge top donors and fundraisers to use “fear” of President Barack Obama to raise cash&#8221;? </em> While<em> </em>labeling party-members that way? Isn&#8217;t one of Steele&#8217;s job fundraiser? If so, would he really not know how the RNC was going to do that?  I don&#8217;t know that I buy that.</p>
<p>Not that Steele will lose his job, they need him as the scapegoat if they don&#8217;t take back the House and Senate like they have predicted. I do wonder how being labeled these horrible things by their own party will affect fund-raising  and thus their ability to finance the type of  &#8220;fear&#8221; campaigns they plan on running.</p>
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		<title>Does the GOP think BI-partisanship means BI-sexual?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So.. I guess the Obama health plan is bipartisan and does include GOP ideas..


&#8220;It’s clear that the American people want health insurance reform.  They aren’t interested in Democratic ideas or Republican ideas.  They’re interested in the best ideas to reduce costs, guarantee choices and ensure the highest quality care.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So.. I guess the <a href="http://www.healthreform.gov/" target="_blank">Obama health plan</a> is bipartisan and does include<a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas" target="_blank"> GOP idea</a>s..</p>
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<blockquote><p><em><strong>&#8220;It’s clear that the American people want health insurance reform.  They aren’t interested in Democratic ideas or Republican ideas.  They’re interested in the best ideas to reduce costs, guarantee choices and ensure the highest quality care.</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>They’re interested in ideas that will put them back in control of their own health care.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong>Throughout the debate on health insurance reform, Republican concepts and proposals have been included in legislation.  In fact, hundreds of Republican amendments were adopted during the committee mark-up process.  As a result, both the Senate and the House passed key Republican proposals that are incorporated into the President’s Proposal.&#8221;</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>A<a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas" target="_blank"> lot of GOP</a> ideas&#8230; and that&#8217;s just Obama&#8217;s plan.. hell the Senate plan had <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2223023/" target="_blank">160 GOP amendments</a>..<br />
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<blockquote><p><strong><em>&#8220;Of the 788 amendments filed,67 came from Democrats and 721 from Republicans. (That disparity drew jeers that Republicans were trying to slow things down. Another explanation may be that they offered so many so they could later claim—as they are now, in fact, claiming—that most of their suggestions went unheeded.) Only 197 amendments were passed in the end—36 from Democrats and 161 from Republicans. And of those 161 GOP amendments, Senate Republicans classify 29 as substantive and 132 as technical.&#8221;</em><br />
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<p>of course they still voted no..</p>
<p>Why is the only way to <a href="http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/cantor-only-route-to-bipartisan-cooperation-is-if-dems-fully-embrace-gop-plan/" target="_blank">bipartisan cooperation is if the Democrats fully embrace the GOP plan</a>?  Shouldn&#8217;t the losing party be happy to get a seat at the table.. a seat that gives them almost half of everything they want? Is a bill with 49% (R) input and 51%(D) input not bipartisan enough when the country elected the (D) to decide the majority?</p>
<p>I simply don&#8217;t get how the GOP can get away with lying that there&#8217;s been no effort to include them. But,even more than that, I can&#8217;t understand this demand that  they should have their way in total  if the country is to see any bipartisanship come out of congress.  Is it the prefix &#8216;Bi&#8217; that throws them? Do they think if they do anything &#8216;Bi&#8221; then they are supporting the homo&#8217;s? (disclosure, I love the &#8216;mo&#8217;s.. and<a href="http://theworldofhowey.wordpress.com/" target="_blank"> this one will</a> back me up on that).</p>
<p>What?</p>
<p>Can you come up with a better reason why the GOP is so anti &#8216;<em>BI</em>-partisanship&#8221; even going so far as to deny it exists when  the bipartisan components are so flamboyantly displayed?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[After visiting Howie in what I thought would be a discussion on hot boys and massage oil&#8230; I am almost too pissed to speak.. Video&#8217;s from Howie&#8217;s Updated post on Pfc Bowe Bergdahl have me blinded by rage at the moment.





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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After visiting <a href="http://theworldofhowey.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Howie</a> in what I thought would be a discussion on hot boys and massage oil&#8230; I am <em>almost</em> too pissed to speak.. Video&#8217;s from Howie&#8217;s <a href="http://theworldofhowey.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/update-bowe-bergdahl/" target="_blank">Updated</a> post on Pfc Bowe Bergdahl have me blinded by rage at the moment.</p>
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<p>No one in the military is defending <em>this guy</em>?  This guy who wears an American soldiers uniform, who fought in a war for America.. who is a fucking American for God&#8217;s sake.. and <em>No one</em> in the military is defending him? While Fox News is having the guest ask the <a class="zem_slink" title="Taliban Threatening girls again" rel="youtube" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s1oWlA3xeg">Taliban</a> to take care of our problems for us to save us money?</p>
<p>This jerk-off says that in a warzone, at night <em>any</em> solider is aware of where his buddy&#8217;s are? And that proves this private was a liar?  Why doesn&#8217;t this shameful shell of a wannabe war commander ask <a class="zem_slink" title="Pat Tillman" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman">Pat Tillman</a> about how a soldier always knows where his buddies are in a warzone at night- oops, I guess we can&#8217;t ask Pat Tillman since he was killed by his buddies in at night, in a warzone.</p>
<p>Who does this fucking asshole think he is doing besmirching  <em>any</em> service-member on the news and calling for his death by terrorists to save us money? And what the fuck is Fox news doing reporting it not just once, and I&#8217;ll give the 1st interviewer some credit for being shocked and not wanting to jump to any of this scum bag&#8217;s propaganda.. but what are they doing by having the asshat<em> on again</em> and <em>agreeing</em> with him</p>
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<p>This is the way we support our troops? This is the American standard here? <em>Bill</em> O&#8217;Reilly should be shamed and shunned ala Jane Fonda.</p>
<p>How can anybody out there, whether the circumstance surrounding his capture are true or not, how can <em>anybody</em> look in the camera and devalue an American solider.. fuck that.. an <strong>AMERICAN</strong> life this way in a time of war. How do you say, <em><a href="http://mediamatters.org/blog/200907190011" target="_blank">&#8220;The Taliban can save us alot of legal hassles and legal bills&#8221;</a> </em> and how in the happy hell does no one staple you to a pole in the city center? We are going bat-shit crazy over the President calling a stupid situation.. stupid.. but calling for a terrorist act to be committed on one of our own, a solider in our military during a time of war no less, to be murdered is ignore and somehow&#8230; news?</p>
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<p>Let me say it like this.. I don&#8217;t give a proper fuck if Pfc Bowe Bergdahl walked away,danced away, or was lead away under the guise of getting a piece of ass in the desert.. I don&#8217;t care if he&#8217;s given up every state secret he knows.. John McCain lasted how long before he gave up everything he knew?.. I don&#8217;t care if he tells a hundred propaganda lies while being video-taped by the same people who might have held the camera while <a class="zem_slink" title="Daniel Pearl" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl">Daniel Pearl</a> gave his final video message before they beheaded him. I simply don&#8217;t care what this kid did to get captured or has to do to stay alive while in the hands of an enemy who shows no quarter for any man, woman or child.. He is a soldier, he is an American, he is in enemy hands and you will by fuck respect that.  If your mother didn&#8217;t teach you that, if your drill sergeant didn&#8217;t teach you that.. then maybe you should  take  Bergdahl&#8217;s place and show him how it&#8217;s really done.</p>
<p>Fox news and Lt. Col Peters,  <em>you</em> might leave your soldiers behind, <em>you</em> might ask terrorists to murder your soldiers because that would make great and riveting news and increased viewership ratings for you..But the <em>real</em> America doesn&#8217;t do that..</p>
<p>If this is the conservative way I hope you are <a href="http://thevsj.com/there-is-one-ig-the-left-cares-about/comment-page-1#comment-112" target="_blank">as relevant as the Whigs</a> and hurry and go the way of the dodo, because 1st and foremost this liberal knows <em>we get our man back </em>and everything else after that is secondary&#8230;</p>
<p>Fox news..you are .. disgusting</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #800000;">**Update**</span></h3>
<p><span style="color: #800000;"><span style="color: #000000;">It&#8217;s about damn time&#8230;</span></span></p>
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<p><em><a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/141530/pentagon_furious_at_fox_news_analyst_for_calling_for_execution_of_captured_soldier/?comments=view&amp;cID=1270891&amp;pID=1270796" target="_blank">Jim Miklaszewski, NBC&#8217;s Pentagon correspondent, told Maddow</a> on Wednesday night that Bergdahl &#8220;came off patrol on June 30th, dropped off his weapon, his body armor, grabbed up a bottle of water, a compass and a knife and took off out on his own. It was sometime after that, apparently, that some local militants grabbed him and turned him over to the Taliban.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;Should he have left the post alone?&#8221; Miklaszewski asked. &#8220;Of course not. But that doesn&#8217;t make him a deserter.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>He continued: &#8220;Military officials I talked to are quite outraged at Peters&#8217; comments, not just the idea perhaps that he suggested that the Taliban should execute Bergdahl, but because it&#8217;s totally irresponsible. Here you have a kid, 23-years-old, in custody. He&#8217;s got to be terrified. And now, these Peters comments could actually be used by his captors to get even deeper inside Bergdahl&#8217;s mind and further erode any confidence that he may have that he will ever come out alive.&#8221;</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s about time someone said it&#8230;

&#8220;It&#8217;s almost, a little bit, gallows politics. When you read behind it, it&#8217;s almost as if he&#8217;s wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point.&#8221;

&#8220;CIA director Leon Panetta says it&#8217;s almost as if former vice president Dick Cheney would like to see another attack [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about time someone said it&#8230;</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: right;">&#8220;It&#8217;s almost, a little bit, gallows politics. When you read behind it, it&#8217;s almost as if he&#8217;s wishing that this country would be attacked again, in order to make his point.&#8221;</h3>
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<p><em>&#8220;<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN14131333" target="_blank">CIA director Leon Panetta says </a>it&#8217;s almost as if former vice president Dick Cheney would like to see another attack on the United States to prove he is right in criticizing President Barack Obama for abandoning the &#8220;harsh interrogation&#8221; of terrorism suspects.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Seriously, What is Dick Cheney&#8217;s point? What is his goal? For years he has done nothing but promote&nbsp; <em>&#8220;Me and my policy are all that keeps you safe at night&#8221;</em> and <em><em> </em></em>bloviate how&nbsp; we will be attacked again without him. Now his rhetoric is almost like a &#8216;code word&#8217; for anyone who is against the Obama administrations National Security policy.&nbsp; It&#8217;s like he&#8217;s talking to one or two lone nuts out there into proving that Bush/Cheney were right for the last 8 years.</p>
<p>Ironically, we were attacked while Dick was in office and after Dick ignored<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22231-2004Mar24.html" target="_blank"> the pleas of those in the intelligence field</a> to heed their warnings. So why would anyone take anything he has to say about keeping America safe as gospel is beyond me.&nbsp; How about we listen to the ones who actually <em>have</em> kept us safe.</p>
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<p>and stop giving Dick the pat on the head he&#8217;s looking for.</p>
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