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		<description><![CDATA[Like I said in the blog,  &#8216;When does 2+2=4 become debatable? When it’s politics, stupid!&#8221; ,  Fox News adds 2+2 and comes up with 7. As if that wasn&#8217;t bad enough they get people to believe them instead truth and facts. They even pull the &#8216;Hey, we&#8217;ve researched&#8217; it card to back up whatever claim [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said in the blog, <a href="http://thevsj.com/when-does-224-become-debatable-when-its-politics-stupid" target="_blank"> &#8216;When does 2+2=4 become debatable? When it’s politics, stupid!&#8221;</a> ,  Fox News adds 2+2 and comes up with 7. As if that wasn&#8217;t bad enough they get people to believe them instead truth and facts. They even pull the <em>&#8216;Hey, we&#8217;ve researched&#8217;</em> it card to back up whatever claim they are making. Obviously if they&#8217;ve researched it and they are this adamant that their information is correct, then they should be believed&#8230; right?</p>
<p>Wrong.</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><em><a title="O'Reilly lies to Coburn: 'Nobody's ever said' at Fox you'll go  to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Oh yes they have." href="http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/oreilly-lies-coburn-nobodys-ever-sai" target="_blank">O&#8217;Reilly  lies to Coburn: </a></em></h3>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><em><a title="O'Reilly lies to Coburn: 'Nobody's ever said' at Fox you'll go  to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Oh yes they have." href="http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/oreilly-lies-coburn-nobodys-ever-sai">&#8216;Nobody&#8217;s ever said&#8217; at Fox you&#8217;ll go to jail if you  don&#8217;t buy health insurance. Oh yes they have.</a></em></h3>
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</em><br />
After Senator Coburn told a town hall meeting not to believe what they hear on Fox News, Bill-O decided he was going to take it upon himself to research his station and find out just when it was that anyone on Fox News said that under &#8220;ObamaCare&#8221; you would go to jail if you didn&#8217;t get health insurance.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong><em>O&#8217;Reilly: Well, tell me, what &#8212; because it doesn&#8217;t happen here. </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong><em>And we researched to find out if anybody on Fox News </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong><em>had ever said you&#8217;re going to jail if you don&#8217;t buy health insurance. </em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong><em>Nobody&#8217;s ever said it.</em></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Well there you go, that solves it. This rumor was nothing more than another attempt of the &#8220;Lame stream media&#8221; to attack the honest hardworking fact checkers at Fox News, they researched this problem and found it to be an utterly false accusation.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">except..</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><br />
</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Beck: But if you don&#8217;t play by their new rules on health  care, oooh, here&#8217;s a new little twist. Have you heard this? <strong>You&#8217;re  going to be looking at a fun little stint in jail.</strong></em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">and<strong><br />
</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em> &#8230; But if you don&#8217;t play ball with them now, <strong>if you don&#8217;t  get into their government health care, there will be jail time.</strong> And that of course was</em></p>
<p>Glenn Beck  told his audience on Nov. 12, 2009 that <em>they would</em> go to jail. The next day on O&#8217;reilly&#8217;s own show, Beck was a a guest and repeated the same claim.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><br />
BECK: You know, this is the first time in history in our country where,  just to be a citizen, <strong>just to not go to jail, you have to buy  something.</strong></em></p>
<p><em><strong> </strong></em>This doesn&#8217;t include the Hannity shows and  guests he&#8217;s had on who echoed same statements.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank"><em>Sean Hannity tells viewers,</em></a></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank"><em> &#8220;Penalties for people who  don&#8217;t get</em></a></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank"><em> government-mandated health insurance, </em></a></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank"><em>uh, jail time, a  possibility?&#8221;</em></a></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank"><em>November 10, 2009</em>:</a></p>
<p>If you just happen to be walking by the TV and the sound was off, you still got the news from Fox when they said at the bottom of the screen <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023341.php" target="_blank">&#8220;Comply or go to jail.&#8221;</a></p>
<p>In a strange twist, a member of the Fox News team admits this was a falsehood spread by Fox News. Neil Cavuto<a href="http://www.strangerthanfiction.org/2010/04/14/contradicting-oreilly-cavuto-acknowledges-fox-pushed-health-care-jail-time-falsehood/" target="_blank"> has owned up to the myth</a> Sen. Coburn was talking about.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em><strong>“I’ve<br />
researched this, and a<br />
number of Fox<br />
personalities had made that comment.”</strong></em></p>
<p>Cavuto mentioned this fact the day after the O&#8217;reilly/Coburn interview, and even then O&#8217;reilly <em>again</em> went on his and insisted that  Sen. Coburn <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/201004140083" target="_blank">&#8220;didn&#8217;t really have his facts in line,&#8221;</a> when it came to saying Fox News perpetuated the jail time myth.</p>
<p>2+2=7</p>
<p>If you are a viewer of Fox News of course you see that this is all just Lame Stream Media attack and spin, how in the hell could you see anything else? To you, Fox is just trying to keep the record straight and they are really having a hard time being the only name in news to give the &#8220;fair&#8221; and the &#8220;balanced&#8221;. The problem is, Fox news operates in another reality where they make up the facts and the research to back them up.  This is not the same as MSNBC spending night after night attacking Sarah<a href="http://crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/politico-rnc-spent-150k-palins-cloth" target="_blank"> Palin for using RNC donations for her clothes</a>, her <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3125537020080901" target="_blank">not returning the money for the &#8216;bridge to no where&#8217; but spending it instead</a>, or  her pimping for the Tea-Party Express which turns out <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35785.html" target="_blank">not to be a grass-roots movement but a Republican Political Action Committee movemen</a>t made up to fool real tea-party <img class="alignright" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/Bat_Boy.PNG" alt="" width="210" height="210" />members into donating more money. All of that is real, researched truth,  which is the opposite of what you get when you turn to Fox News.</p>
<p>Look, if people want to believe in leprechauns and unicorns they can, there is nothing wrong with that. Thought and fantasy are still free in this world even if saying them out loud isn&#8217;t in some places. But for a &#8220;News&#8221; network to be considered &#8216;fair&#8217; or &#8216;balanced&#8217; or &#8216;trusted&#8217; or hell, &#8216;news&#8217; they have to follow the same rules as the others. If they want to only report on the other sides scandals and misdeeds to make them out to be the party not to be trusted, so be it! If they want to only report on their sides altruistic ideals and actions to make them seem like better party ok. They can&#8217;t claim &#8216;fair&#8217; or &#8216;balanced&#8217; but ok, have at it. But they cannot just make stuff up and repeatedly get away with it.  Not if their goal is News. If their goal is money, <em>your</em> money..as much of it as they can get, then hell <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Boy_%28character%29" target="_blank">Bat Boy</a> journalism for everyone ! But stop labeling the product incorrectly.</p>
<p>This network has pretty much reduced themselves to, &#8220;Bat boy journalism&#8221; yet they demand to be treated like real journalism and will cry like scorned little girls the minute they aren&#8217;t taken as seriously as a Walter Cronkite-like news organization. Unfortunately for those of us who chose not to believe in unicorns and Bat Boy, we are forced to defend that which is slanted, but true because that slanted journalism is the excuse for the fake or made up journalism. The problem then becomes that we inspire more slant instead of more neutral.</p>
<p>If we didn&#8217;t have to live through the consequences of Bat Boy journalism and the voting populists I&#8217;d say let them have their sensational stories because like any Jerry Springer episode, they can be good for a laugh.  It&#8217;s when we would have to suffer through the choices of the &#8216;believers&#8217; that we get not just Jerry Springer on TV, but Jerry Springer in the White House that it becomes a detriment to all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not knocking Springer, but I don&#8217;t want this country governed by those who believe his show is on the same level of journalism as a slanted, but accurate,  Rachael Maddow.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading Fox News version of Natoma Canfield &#8217;s plight and after getting over my disgust at the flippant skew of their story,I decided to see just what kind of people Fox news is playing to. I was sure those commenting on the piece would be as appalled as I was after reading that article [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/15/clinic-cancer-patient-wrote-obama-lose-home-aid/" target="_blank"> Fox News version of Natoma <span>Canfield</span> &#8217;s plight</a> and after getting over my disgust at the flippant skew of their story,I decided to see just what kind of people Fox news is playing to. I was sure those commenting on the piece would be as appalled as I was after reading that <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">article</span> tripe because who wouldn&#8217;t be? This idea that she <em>&#8216;may&#8217;</em> get financial help for the treatment and that somehow negates her ordeal was so outrageous that even the truly heartless,mindless,GOP sycophant must be taken aback.</p>
<p>Oh how I was wrong.</p>
<p>Before  we get to the truly ugly part of our society, the part that feeds on Fox News and GOP rhetoric..Remember where this started. Natoma wrote a letter to the President explaining her situation to him, she had had insurance and had paid it&#8217;s high premiums. She explained that last year she paid &#8220;<a href="http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/03/15/obama-canfieldletter.html" target="_blank">$6075.24 in premiums, $2415.26 for medical care, $225 in co-pays and $1500 for prescriptions.&#8221;</a> For all of this, her insurance company paid out a staggering $935 to her benefit. What a wonderful return she pays over $10,000 and the insurance gives her $935. I can&#8217;t imagine anyone looking at that and saying &#8220;A yup, seems right to me&#8221;.. but, they do.</p>
<p>When Anthem sent Natoma a letter letting her know that after being with this company for 11 years,  in 2010, her policy would be increased over 40% to $8496.24.</p>
<p>Natoma had to let the insurance go.</p>
<p>$8500 a year,  that&#8217;s over $700 a month&#8230; for health insurance. Is this normal and satisfactory to people? Are there a lot of us out there who could afford coverage for one person  for the great cost of $177 a week?</p>
<p>When did this become the normal part of American life, so normal that people across the country are not outrage just at that? $177 a week.. not for food,shelter,utilities.. but health insurance on one person? What she if had to cover a family of four?</p>
<p>That is where<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/15/clinic-cancer-patient-wrote-obama-lose-home-aid/" target="_blank"> Fox picks up her story</a> and where this blogs begins. Natoma said in her letter that she was afraid to think about where she would get the money to pay her bills now that she didn&#8217;t have healthcare. A perfectly reasonable fear, a fear that even people with insurance might have just because of the emotions  and costs involved. But to Foxnews and those who champion them, this is the pit of waste they decided to swim in. Instead of going after Anthem, they set their sights on Natoma&#8217;s fears.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>Natoma Canfield, the cancer-stricken woman who has become a centerpiece  of President Obama&#8217;s push for health care reform, will not lose her home  over her medical bills and will probably qualify for financial aid, a  top official at the Cleveland medical center treating her told  FoxNews.com.</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Sure, Natoma <em>might </em> qualify for aid&#8230; might. So there you go people, nothing to see here.. move along.</p>
<p>Of course  gold coins <em>might</em> fall out of her ears tomorrow too, but that doesn&#8217;t negate another in a long,long list of examples of an insurance company profiting on the health of Americans.</p>
<p>Natoma could <em>possibly</em> be healed by a local voodoo priest laying hands upon her, that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that insurance companies have gotten out of control when it comes to their profit margin.</p>
<p>If this &#8216;probability&#8217; stopped there, then maybe it could be seen as a &#8216;feel good&#8217; piece. Ya know, a <em>&#8220;Thank God, she has one last thing to worry about in this time of need&#8221; </em>maybe it would be ok. But it didn&#8217;t and as the comments show, it produced the exact feeling FoxNews hoped and always hopes to provoke in people. Of course &#8220;feeling&#8221; is a loose translation of the word as you&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Before that though, there seems to be this running theme everywhere of <em>&#8220;Well they can just get medicaid&#8221;</em> in one breath and <em>&#8220;We don&#8217;t need government healthcare paid for by tax-payers&#8221;</em> in the other.  A <em>&#8220;<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/28/mccain-health-care-emergency-room/" target="_blank">everyone has insurance because they can just use the ER</a>&#8221; </em>repetitiveness that somehow excuses the point of having to use the ER like a primary care doctor instead of a.. ya know.. <em>emergency room</em>. Here&#8217;s my question, who is paying for that cost when people who don&#8217;t have insurance use the ER?   Who do people think is paying for Medicaid ?  The Fairy-Medical-Mother? Do the people wiping drool off their chin from all their blathering about tax-payer government health care not understand that the medicaid they are telling Natoma to get <em>is tax-payer paid for government healthcare</em>?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they do.</p>
<p>While we&#8217;re playing in the realm of pretend, what if she paid the extortion to her insurance company and they dropped her after she was diagnosed with leukemia? There is an equal, if not better, chance that  would have happened as there is a chance that she &#8216;<em>might</em>&#8216; or will <em>&#8216;probably&#8217;</em> get medicaid or some kind of charity to pay her bill. Had she been dropped,  then what? Who cares because she could have gone on tax-payer government healthcare, but  as long as she doesn&#8217;t pay for her own government healthcare it&#8217;s ok?</p>
<p>The idea that anyone could say<em> &#8220;Hey  you know what? I think you should pay out $10,000 a year, get $900 paid back and next year pay 40% more and get back less.. &#8220;</em> Is pretty much the stupidest thing I think I&#8217;ve ever heard. But it seems to be the common thread these days.  She is after all only a house-cleaner, it&#8217;s not like she own AIG or anything important like that.</p>
<p>The idea that anyone would champion a system  that says <em>&#8220;Look, be happy.. after all those years of paying into this product and getting no return, now you can go on charity so quit your bitching&#8221;</em> is not only the stupidest thing I&#8217;ve ever heard but probably the most callous. I can only hope that  Karma X3 finds the people saying this with some event that forces them to seek help from a &#8216;charity&#8217;. I just hope they don&#8217;t meet people like themselves at those charities who tell  them to go find help somewhere else. Or worse, tell them they&#8217;ve helped too many this month so maybe come back next month and see if they can get some help.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re the best country on the planet,  the only SuperPower, the beacon of all and the best we can do is..<em> </em>&#8220;She <em>might</em> get charity to help pay for her illness and she <em>probably</em> won&#8217;t lose her house&#8221;?</p>
<p>As if that&#8217;s even a concern, after reading what the Foxnewies GOP sycophants  think.. she really deserves the loss of her home because she should have paid the insurance company their extortion fee and her mortgage and just stopped eating and watching TV, the lazy bitch.</p>
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<h3><em>jpd123</em></h3>
<p><em>South Carolina</em></p>
<p><em>How can  she lose her house?  I though Obama fixed the housing crisis, and nobody  is losing their houses.  I guess if she had paid her insurance bill and  skipped her house payment, Obama would have her up on stage supporting  his next housing bail out!  This guy doesn&#8217;t miss a chance.  Here&#8217;s  quick fix Obama, you&#8217;ve got millions.  You were able to raise 600  million for your campaign.  Why don&#8217;t you lend her the money to pay her  bills?   This is getting crazy.  <strong>She made a choice.  She chose to pay her house  payment.</strong> Millions of americans make choices every day.  <strong>Does she have a  TV?  Does she have cable?  Did she choose to buy those?  It&#8217;s called  responsibility and prioritizing</strong>.  She has to choose between food and a  house payment&#8230;does the government buy her groceries?  She has to  choose between clothes and a house payment&#8230;does the government buy her  clothes?  Where does it end?  Why not let the government pay for  everything.  Food, water, shelter are all necessities.  Like health  care, can&#8217;t we find imaginary rights in the constitution to cover those  things too!</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>That&#8217;s right, she made a choice folks. She should have paid her insurance instead of her mortgage and really.. she has a TV right? She chose to pay them, so there you go! She deserves everything she gets!  The stupid woman should learn to prioritize, doesn&#8217;t she know that the American Dream isn&#8217;t to grow up, work hard and buy a house. No! It&#8217;s grow up, work hard, pay your insurance even when they&#8217;re raping you.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s truly disgusting the level of bottom-feeder that the GOP and FoxNews has succeeding in producing. If that comment was the only one like it I would attribute it to a mutant strain of GOP, unfortunately&#8230; it&#8217;s not</p>
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<h3><em>macagcy</em></h3>
<p><em>Sad story &#8211; but here  are the facts.  This lady could have increased her deductible and  reduced her costs.  We could be having a fund raiser to pay her  $5,000.00 deductible &#8211; but no &#8211; the taxpayers will be paying the full  boat.   How can Anthem be the bad guy?  What do you think her costs are  projected to be?  Do you think it would have been cheaper to pay the  premium and have coverage or to pay no premiums and have no funds to pay  for the care?   Personal Responsibility.</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>How can that poor insurance company be at fault? All they did was continue to raise her rates to the point where she had to decide between them and her mortgage, shheesh.. it&#8217;s her fault for not just doubling her deductible, I mean she only paid out $10,000 in costs last year! Hello! Anthem gave her $900 worth coverage for it, what does she want.. more?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s gross isn&#8217;t it? I just wish that was it&#8230;</p>
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<h3><em>bigtuna2</em></h3>
<p><em>As a physician in a  town of 75000, I can say that everyone gets treated, and nobody loses  their home. Medical bills are the last things people pay. When someone  is evaluating your credit, the very last thing they look at are medical  bills</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>As a physician, I recommend we all just not pay our bills.. no one loses their house, no one cares that it&#8217;s on your credit and all those non-paid bills really have no affect on the system because the Fairy-Medical-Mother bibbity,bobbity,boos them away.</p>
<p>Are you out of your fucking mind? The solution to &#8220;paid for by everyone, shared by everyone&#8217; Universal Health care is? We just don&#8217;t pay our bills when we incur them because it&#8217;s not like anyone has to pay for it anyway.</p>
<p>Fuck me! Someone shoot me if I get this stupid!</p>
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<h3><em>dawnkessler</em></h3>
<p><em>New York</em></p>
<p><em>iamback:   Do you not realize that a lot of people are going through the same  thing?  If you don&#8217;t pay for your health insurance, you don&#8217;t get health  insurance.  Many qualify for Medicaid.  Everyone qualifies for private  charity.  Have you ever been to a benefit?  That&#8217;s what benefits are  for.  Why do all Americans have to suffer for the plight of a few?   There are other ways than allowing the Progressives to take over our  lives.  You only need a little bit of common sense to understand what  this bill is all about and it doesn&#8217;t have ANYTHING to do with health  care.  Everyone gets treatment, whether they can afford it or not!   That&#8217;s the fact that the government hopes to keep from people.  Open  your eyes and look around.  There are not people dying in the streets in  this country (yet).  The madness needs to stop now.</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>That&#8217;s right, why do all Americans have to suffer for the plight of a few..</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to end slavery,  why do all Americans have to suffer for the plight of a few?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to desegregate, I mean  why do all Americans have to suffer for the plight of a few?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to let woman vote and have a right to equal and fair treatment,  why do all Americans have to suffer for the plight of a few</p>
<p>There are other ways than following the Progressives like Franklin, Washington, Adams, or  Jefferson! We&#8217;re Americans, why do we all have to suffer for a few? Jesus! Everyone gets treatment anyway, whether they have the money or not and the great Fairy-Medical-Mother pays for it!</p>
<p>It just keeps getting better doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Do you think if someone explained that the &#8216;charity&#8217; and the &#8216;medicaid&#8217; <em>might</em> only kick in when the disease has reached catastrophic levels  and had the person had coverage before it got that bad, it might have only cost the tax payers and charity houses a few hundred dollars instead of a few million, they&#8217;d understand?</p>
<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t think so either.</p>
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<h3><em>mugger32</em></h3>
<p><em>Pennsylvania</em></p>
<p><em>While I  sympathize with this lady, wouldn&#8217;t it have been easier if she just said  she was in the uS illegally to get the care and not worrying about  losing her house? Hmmm&#8230;.maybe there is a problem.</em></p>
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<h3><em>jim4mich</em></h3>
<p><em>Michigan</em></div>
<p><em>if your to  sick to work then your to sick to cotribute to the masses so you are  exspendable</em></p>
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<h3><em>rickaware</em></h3>
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<p><em>Did you see the  floozy that introduced him in Strongville?  Not hard to see what kind of  trash she is.</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>That <a href="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/03/obama-letter-writer-now-has-luekemia-and-no-insurance/1" target="_blank">floozy-trash</a> was Natoma&#8217;s sister. John Boehner was right though, <a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/14/boehner-im-doing-everything-i-can-to-stop-health-care-bill/?fbid=J3O1qpqFs5W" target="_blank">the GOP is doing everything they can to stop health reform</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but after reading the stirrings from the FoxNewies- GOP sycophants I feel unclean. More than that though, I feel frightened that one day a candidate that holds these peoples beliefs as his/her own could one day rule this country. God help us when that day comes.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is who you protect when you wish for Obama to &#8220;fail&#8221;. This is the side you have chosen to stand with, protect and help defend.</p>
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<h2 style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/14/ny-insurance-company-tries-to-rid-itself-of-high-c/" target="_blank">rather than pay out big</a></h2>
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<p><a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/14/ny-insurance-company-tries-to-rid-itself-of-high-c//print/" target="_blank"><em>Ian Pearl has fought for his life every day of his 37 years. Confined to a wheelchair and hooked to a breathing tube, the muscular dystrophy victim refuses to give up.</em></a></p>
<p><em>But his insurance company already has.</em></p>
<p><em>Legally barred from discriminating against individuals who submit large claims, the New York-based insurer simply canceled lines of coverage altogether in entire states to avoid paying high-cost claims like Mr. Pearl's.</em></p>
<p><em>In an e-mail, one Guardian Life Insurance Co. executive called high-cost patients such as Mr. Pearl "dogs" that the company could "get rid of."</em></p></blockquote>
<p>That's right,  Mr. Pearl, is a<strong><em> "Dog"</em></strong> that the company needs to <strong><em>"Get rid of"</em></strong></p>
<p>Let's put this is perspective for just a second. <a href="http://thevsj.com/chucks-story" target="_blank">I told you about a friend of mine</a> recently to try and put a face many of us know on this healthcare debate.  I wanted <a href="http://thevsj.com/chucks-story" target="_blank">Chuck's story </a>to be on everyone's mind as they were regurgitating the latest poison from Glenn Beck's mouth. I wanted people to have a visual of the person they were condemning in their almost orgasmic need to have a United States President fail. A failure that  some of these people  dream of, masturbate to...pray for every chance they get. <em>"At all costs"</em> is the motto, "<em>At</em> any <em>cost</em>" is the pledge.</p>
<p>I failed of course, not even the plight of a great man and amazing friend to many of us made a scratch in the shell that surrounds these ideologues.</p>
<p>So I will try again.</p>
<p>Instead of Mr. Pearl, who has the same condition as Chuck, I want to you again put Chuck's name, his face, his interaction with you, his "self".. put him in this story. Does that do anything for you ideologues? Can you sit there and hear that Chuck is just a<em> "Dog</em>" who needs to be gotten <em>"rid of"</em> because he dared to buy an insurance policy, he dared to pay it, he dared to get a debilitating degenerative disease and most of all  he dared to not die quickly enough?  The company that waspaid to cover health costs  can't cancel one 'dog'  because it would be against the law, so they just cancel an entire state of 'dogs'. Is there any face I can put on this problem that will make a dent?</p>
<p>You may say<em> "Oh but Kelly, I'm sure the courts will stop the insurance company from canceling everyone with this kind if policy. I'm sure a judge will see that this man, Mr. Pearl will die if this insurance company is allowed to cancel his policy." </em> But you would be wrong.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>A federal court quickly ruled that the company's actions were legal, so on Dec. 1, barring an order by the federal Department of Health and Human Services, Mr. Pearl will lose his benefits.</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>So much for that 'check and balance'.</p>
<p>For those that abhor government intervention, will you cry with Glenn Beck if the  Health "Czar" Kathleen Sebelius orders the company to live up to it's contract.</p>
<p>Sadly, we all know the answer to that... Yes, yes  you will.</p>
<p>Will those of you who even thought about trying to explain just how President Obama was creating "Death Panels" care to pick up your pitchfork against this <em>actual</em> 'death panel'?  Mr. Pearl needs 24 hr nursing care, he is on a ventilator and <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/14/ny-insurance-company-tries-to-rid-itself-of-high-c//print/" target="_blank">needs hourly breathing treatments and continuous intravenous medication.</a> Without this <em>he will die</em>, here is your Death Panel Sara Palin, will you 'tweet' about how evil this is? Will you take hundreds of thousand of dollars for a speech on this kind of injustice, will the people who aped your stupidity write Mr. Pearl or even Chuck's name on a sign and demand they not be forgotten?</p>
<p>Sadly, we know the answer to that is.. no, no you won't.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>Guardian, a 150-year-old mutual company, reported profits of $437 million last year, a 50 percent increase over $292 million in 2007. It paid dividends of $723 million to policyholders and had $4.3 billion in capital reserves, according to its annual report. The company's investment income totaled $1.5 billion that year, a small increase from the year earlier.</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>This is who you protect with your hatred of a President. This is who you protect with  your 'at any cost'  ideologue.</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>"In an e-mail to four other Guardian executives entered into evidence in the Pearls' suit, company Vice President Tim Birely discussed how the company could</strong> </em><strong>"eliminate this entire block to get rid of the few dogs."</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>.. and don't think you can get away with the argument of <em>"Well, you Democrats are in power now and we can't do anything stop you."</em> It's condescending, it's insincere and it's bullshit. Most insulting of all.. you know it, snicker and use it anyway.</p>
<p>20 years ago a friend of mine took a ride with a person he had just recently started hanging around. He didn't know him too well but he seemed cool and they got along. That night the new guy told my friend he was going to rob a local mom &amp; pop grocer for some extra cash. My friend wasn't a violent person, he wasn't a criminal, he wasn't a bad person in any way... but he because he was 17 and stupid he didn't speak up.</p>
<p>The new guy went into the store while my friend waited in the car, he could have left at that point but for whatever reason he didn't. After a few minutes the new guy came running back out, jumped in the car and away they went. They never spoke of what went on inside the store and it wasn't until the next morning when the police showed up at his parents house to arrest him that my friend found out that the store owner had been shot and killed by the new guy. My friend was tried and convicted as an accessory to the crime and is on death row awaiting his date with the executioner. Does he deserve to die for a crime he had no part in? Some would say yes he does, but then again.. they would also be the ones to tell Mr. Pearl to go out and get a job if he wants health care.</p>
<p>The real "Dog" here isn't Mr. Pearl and it isn't Chuck or any of the other poor souls who have paid their premiums each month only to have them canceled because they did not die quick enough. The real "dogs" are the insurance company who cares more about an enormous bottom line over the lives they are supposed to be protecting. You all fighting reform at all costs.. at any cost, this is the dog you have allowed into your bed by not saying anything even when you know what they are doing is not only wrong, dangerous and against humanity, but could possibly be murderous. Just like the saying "Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas"  this <em>is </em>on you whether you like it or not.</p>
<p><a href="http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/10/13/graham-climate-traitor/" target="_blank">Lindsey Graham is currently finding</a> that sad fact out. <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26063.html" target="_blank">Arlen Specter </a>and <a href="http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-party/limbaugh-blasts-colin-powell-suggests-he-should-leave-gop/" target="_blank">Colin Powell</a> could have told him, but a conservative republican of Grahams stature, with his conservative record would have ignored their warnings just as the rest of the ideologues will ignore this liberal's warning. When you go against the beast you create, the beast you've allowed to take over to fight  your battle for you, when you go against it... you pay their price. It's apropos that Graham is now the one to fight off charges that can not be defended because they have no basis in reality. <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/lindsey-graham-faces-tea_n_319225.html" target="_blank">"Fake Republican," "RINO" (Republican in name only), a "traitor," "disgrace," "asshat," "democrat in drag," and a "wussypants, girly-man, half-a-sissy".</a></p>
<p>The beast you fed,nurtured, appeased every step of the way while pretending <em>"that's  not what my belief..it's theirs"</em>.. and "<em>Hey, you guys are in power not us"</em>.. that beast is self-aware and is devouring your party.  That is who your next leaders will have no choice but to cater to. The metaphorically date with the executioner that you await for being an accessory to the crime, would be justice in and of itself if so many truly innocent people weren't being punished along with you. Don't believe there are 'truly innocent' people being punished? Well, I give you<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,564501,00.html" target="_blank"> one final story</a></p>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,564501,00.html" target="_blank">17-Pound, 4-Month-Old Baby </a></h1>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,564501,00.html" target="_blank">Denied Health Insurance </a></h1>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,564501,00.html" target="_blank">for Being Too Fat</a></h1>
<blockquote><p><em><span id="intelliTXT">Underwriters, the people who are in charge of assessing risk for insurance companies, have decided that <a style="border-bottom: 0.075em solid darkgreen ! important; font-weight: normal ! important; font-size: 100% ! important; text-decoration: underline ! important; padding-bottom: 1px ! important; color: darkgreen ! important; background-color: transparent ! important; background-image: none; padding-top: 0pt; padding-right: 0pt; padding-left: 0pt;" href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,564501,00.html#" target="_blank">baby</a> Alex's pre-existing condition — obesity — makes him a high-risk patient and have denied him coverage.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span id="intelliTXT">His parents were shocked.</span></em></p>
<p><em>"I could understand if we could control what he's eating. But he's 4 months old. He's breast-feeding. We can't put him on the Atkins diet or on a treadmill," joked his frustrated <a style="border-bottom: 0.075em solid darkgreen ! important; font-weight: normal ! important; font-size: 100% ! important; text-decoration: underline ! important; padding-bottom: 1px ! important; color: darkgreen ! important; background-color: transparent ! important; background-image: none; padding-top: 0pt; padding-right: 0pt; padding-left: 0pt;" href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,564501,00.html#" target="_blank">father</a>, Bernie Lange, a part-time news anchor at <a href="http://www.nbc11news.com/localnews/headlines/63813127.html?storySection=comments" target="_blank">KKCO-TV in Grand Junction</a>. "There is just something absurd about denying an infant."</em></p>
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<p>The beast you continue to actively support or just ignore because  the end is justified by the means for you... denied a 4 month old, breastfed baby for the pre-existing condition of  obesity.</p>
<p>I hope you are happy with your creation.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was brought up on the MucheDumbre forum today in regards to a government involvement in healthcare..
Essentially, that is my problem with all of this. I already have a problem with the FDA and AMA being owned by drug companies, why make the problem bigger?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was brought up on the <a href="http://muchedumbre.com/">MucheDumbre</a> forum today in regards to a government involvement in healthcare..</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>Essentially, that is my problem with all of this. I already have a problem with the FDA and AMA being owned by drug companies, why make the problem bigger?</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p><span>If this is how you feel, that private companies already have too many fingers  in the political arena and are turning policy in their favor, then the  <em>only</em> option for you is the public option.</span></p>
<p><span>As it stands now all healthcare options are  owned,regulated,price marked and  everything else relating to  them by the<span style="text-decoration: underline;"> </span><strong>for-profit</strong> health insurance companies. Your doctor doesn&#8217;t decide his  fee, Cigna,Aetna,BCBS decide what <em>and if </em>they will pay him.It is the  insurance company who decides what they will pay, who they will pay, where they  will pay.. who can get their product and  who can keep their product even after  paying for it for decades. Without a public option, the way it is now will look  like the &#8216;better&#8217; way in 5 years..</span></p>
<p><span>Think about it for  second&#8230; A <a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_CARE_GOVERNMENT_OPTION?SITE=KSPIT&amp;SECTION=HOME&amp;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&amp;CTIME=2009-09-09-21-07-45" target="_blank"><span>not-for-profit </span>public option  that </a><span><a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_CARE_GOVERNMENT_OPTION?SITE=KSPIT&amp;SECTION=HOME&amp;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&amp;CTIME=2009-09-09-21-07-45" target="_blank">would be self-sufficient and rely on the premiums it  collects,</a> </span> going from the Government to the<em> </em>healthcare <em> provider</em>(i.e.. doctor,clinic,hospital)  is  a direct line to the ones doing the service. Yet, this has been deemed evil,socialistic,freedom robbing  and bad because it is the government who is collecting the money and giving it  out to the providers&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span>The other alternative is that we </span><span>subsidized[pay for]</span><span> not just the &gt;5% who would chose a public option but <strong>all</strong> 45 million uninsured American with a credit that comes from  private and<em> public funds</em><em>{i.e. taxpayers}</em><em> </em>. The difference  is  that the money goes<em> </em>directly to the<em> insurance company </em>where<a href="http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_faq.php" target="_blank"> they take  their 30% cut</a> and then decide whether to pay the doctors/hospitals the rest. It  is a mainline from your wallet into the wallets of the same types you say you  are against, the private companies- NOT the doctors and hospitals proving your care.<br />
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<p><span>Somehow the government  paying the insurance<em> company </em>with<em> taxpayer&#8217;s </em>money instead of the<em> provider</em> being paid with the fees that those in the option have paid for is the better option for some. How  it&#8217;s  better or less socialist for the government to subsidize the insurance  companies is something I haven&#8217;t had explained to me even though I keep  asking,but let&#8217;s keep moving.</span></p>
<p><span>Not only will the government subsidize the insurance company, but without regulation or something in the market competing with them, the insurance companies can get their &#8216;asking price&#8217; for any policy they offer, meaning they can start charging the government  whatever they want for the healthcare the government is buying from them..while  <em>still retaining</em> the right to decide how much they will reimburse the  doctors,hospitals or if they even will reimburse them.</span></p>
<p><span>What is being asked for here to control this is the choice of a </span><span>public option, for  <strong>less than 5% of the uninsured</strong> in the United States .   Less than 5% of those  uninsured now, not 20% of the entire population, 50% all of the United States of  America, but &gt;5% of the 18% who are without insurance..</span></p>
<p><span>I&#8217;m not being a smart-ass.. but read that again before moving on&#8230;<br />
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<p style="text-align: right;"><strong>&#8220;Let me be clear &#8212; it would only be an option for those who don&#8217;t have insurance,&#8221; he said. </strong></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong>&#8220;No one would be forced to choose it, and it would not impact those of you who already have insurance. In fact, based on Congressional Budget Office estimates, </strong></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong>we believe that less than 5 percent of Americans would </strong></p>
<p style="text-align: right;"><strong>sign up.&#8221;<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/09/obama.speech/index.html" target="_blank">-Obama health speech before congress</a></strong></p>
<p><span>we&#8217;re talking millions of people yes,  but single digit millions.<br />
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<p><span>The not-for-profit public  option will force these unregulated companies to  atleast keep their fees reasonable. It won&#8217;t put them out of business, the  creation of any reform will ensure 45 million<strong> more people buy their product. </strong>That&#8217;s not taking money away from them&#8230; that is a windfall of fat cash coming their direction.<br />
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<p><span>The not-for-profit public option will force these companies to own up to their contracts and actually pay out more claims, because to deny someone coverage because  of a preexisting condition will become illegal.  It will force them to become a  better product than they are right now, because  right now the &#8216;free market&#8217; is  allowing them to have all the marbles whether those be taxpayers marbles or  private marbles. It is allowing them to collect whatever amount of money they  want while choosing when and who to pay it out to. You purchased your insurance  plan to cover your medical costs, you didn&#8217;t  purchase it so they company you  chose could have complete autonomy to do with your money as they saw fit and  thus leaving you responsible for the doctor bill at the same time.</span></p>
<p><span>Again, read this again. You pay the insurance company to cover your health  care costs.. if they deem your claim unworthy, <strong>you are still responsible for the  payment  to the doctor/clinic or hospital who treated you</strong>. So now you have paid the  insurance company to keep your money and the doctor to treat you. Seriously  people, if you just want to send your money to someone while still being  responsible for your bills, I&#8217;ll be glad to accept it instead.</span></p>
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<p><span>To put it simply, there are only two choices here.. .We either pay the  insurance companies to insure the uninsured and thus, paying their fee for doing  this  or we pay the doctors directly to treat the uninsured. If you don&#8217;t like  big Pharma being involved in the politics and decision making, then you can&#8217;t be  against something that  takes big insurance out of the politics and decision  making on people lives.</span></p>
<p><span>What is wrong with giving the <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/11/opinion/polls/main5303015.shtml" target="_blank">overwhelming majority</a> of the people a choice of what is out there?  That&#8217;s all, a <em>choice</em>. </span></p>
<p><span>I found a quote from Bill Moyers on <a href="http://open.salon.com/blog/david_a_love/2009/09/11/healthcare_reform_is_americas_anti-theft_device" target="_blank">another blog</a> that said </span></p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>“we should be treating health as a condition, not a commodity.”</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine it being put into simpler terms<em><strong>.<br />
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<p><span>If you are wondering just how much around the fingers of the insurance CEO&#8217;s  the politicians have wrapped themselves, there are calls for &#8216;tort reform&#8217;.   This will in essence regulate how much money a lawyer can be paid for his  services. Why are we <em>so against</em> providers of the actual services being reimbursed  for their product and so much<em> in favor of</em> the companies who offer no other service than to hold our money and decide who or if they will pay with it. If the doctors and  lawyers charge too much, isn&#8217;t one of the tenents of &#8216;free market capitalism&#8217; that  they will be weeded out as their competitors  offered the same for less?  Isn&#8217;t  government imposing the will of   a select few companies, who service is solely to pay these doctors and  lawyers the money you gave them, isn&#8217;t imposing those companies will over the will of the ones doing  the service you hired them for,  more  detrimental to  the idea of Capitalism?<br />
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<p><strong>****UPDATE****</strong></p>
<p>sometimes a good video says it all&#8230;<br />
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<div style="text-align:center;width:480px;"><a href="http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041b5acaf5/protect-insurance-companies-psa" title="from FOD Team, Will Ferrell, Jon Hamm, Olivia Wilde, Thomas Lennon, Donald Faison, Linda Cardellini, Masi Oka, Ben Garant, Jordana Spiro, lauren, Drew, and chad_carter">Protect Insurance Companies PSA</a> from <a href="http://www.funnyordie.com/will_ferrell">Will Ferrell</a></div>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anecdotal evidence is never a game-changer unless the subject of the evidence is a great friend who has accomplished so many things in his life and has made the best out of a crappy hand life dealt him. Then, sometimes.. not always but sometimes.. that kind of evidence strikes the right cord in the right [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anecdotal evidence is never a game-changer unless the subject of the evidence is a great friend who has accomplished so many things in his life and has made the best out of a crappy hand life dealt him. Then, sometimes.. not always but sometimes.. that kind of evidence strikes the right cord in the right people and then change really does come.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to give you guys the <a href="http://thevsj.com/let-them-eat-cake-and-how-we-barter-in-human-life" target="_blank">examples of people I knew</a>, in the hopes that you may have known people like them and/or could feel the desperation of their situation and maybe want to find a way to help them, but I failed in bringing the people I was targeting over to just <em>the idea</em> that change is needed, much less my idea of what that change should be. But maybe this time, with the example being someone we all know, we all respect and care for.. maybe this is the straw that breaks the camels back for some people and maybe some of those will go on to help fight for what is desperately needed in this country, instead of trying to kill any hope at all of a reprieve for those that are stuck in a situation they had no control over.</p>
<p>Even though he gave me permission, I  still thought about changing the name in this piece and just sticking to the story. I knew that even with omitting the name most of us would know who I was talking about with just one or 2 words about him so there was no need for him to be anything other than anonymous to the rest, but I don&#8217;t want him to  be just another blind example, I want you to say his name in your head when you are fighting against health care reform. When you look at the <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/Story?id=7920012&amp;page=2" target="_blank">words of the President</a></p>
<p><em>But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that’s not making anybody’s mom better, that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn’t going to help. Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller. </em></p>
<p>I want the name Chuck Conners aka Uselesslegs in your thoughts when you blithely mock  this very real problem in our very broken system. I want Chuck&#8217;s story in the forefront of your brain, when you argue that we have the best care anywhere, that there is no such thing as that silly concept of doctors charging for a surgery when you only need a pill.. I want you to tell Chuck&#8217;s story to a friend or family member, and then explain to them why President OBama and the Democrats are just trying to kill this country and kill our &#8216;wonderful&#8217; healthcare.</p>
<p>Before I continue, after Chuck told me his story and I started writing it I realized that this is the story<em> for not </em>having a public option, this is the reason why the government shouldn&#8217;t be in the medical insurance field. I know that there are blind loyalists  out there who will miss the point of this story and only latch on to the easy part of the problem, they&#8217;ll do this because they don&#8217;t have the intellect to see the big picture, they are the &#8216;death panelists&#8217;.. and &#8216;birthers&#8217;&#8230;the ideologue,  to them I will just nod and say &#8220;Yes Dear&#8221;.. I  was worried about writing this because the lack of brain mass some of these people have is more than made up by their vocal abilities and abhorrent behavior, but if I want to be true, if I want to be honest.. this type of story should never happen. It should not happen with private  or government run care. We need reform and anyone not seeing that, or not seeing that this is also a problem in the private sector needs to just go build another sign and leave the serious matters to the adults to figure out.</p>
<p>First a little back story for those that don&#8217;t know. Chuck has <a href="https://www.google.com/health/ref/Muscular+dystrophy" target="_blank">muscular dystrophy</a> and it has progressed so over the past few years that he is completely dependent on a wheelchair to get around and someone to help him in and out of it. At 42, he&#8217;s already lived well past anyone&#8217;s guess&#8230;and he&#8217;s done so with a kind of dignity,humility and humor that I never knew existed. Chuck understands that people are uncomfortable with the disabled,  we don&#8217;t know how to act, where to look, what to say, so Chuck takes it upon himself to break that uncomfortable moment with a self deprecating joke or a well-rehearsed fart noise. My oldest daughter was one of the people he endeared himself to immediately with his &#8216;ice-breaking&#8217;. She knew of him and his disability, but she didn&#8217;t know of his humor..yet. When he called my house and she answered, she very innocently asked <em>&#8220;How ya doing Chuck?&#8221;</em>.. His reply was a simple scream <em>&#8220;I&#8221;m in a wheelchair.. HOW DO YOU THINK I&#8217;M DOING!&#8221;</em>. She immediately stared to cry because she thought she had done something to offend him, she was in the act of throwing the phone at me and spilling the story out when I couldn&#8217;t control my laughing any longer, I told her to listen to the phone, and there was Chuck laughing while at the same time trying to soothe her into knowing he was just kidding around with her. He hadn&#8217;t joked with her to be mean to her, but he knew, like all people in his or similar situations know, that us &#8216;normal&#8217; people just don&#8217;t know how to react to them. He taught not only her, but my younger daughter, that it&#8217;s ok to look at someone in a wheelchair, or someone who is disabled, it&#8217;s ok to talk with them and be relaxed around them.. He taught them that it&#8217;s ok to treat them as normal and to laugh with and enjoy them just as they would anyone else. For that I say Thank you, because I didn&#8217;t learn this ease and comfort until I was much much older and Chuck was the one who taught it to me also.</p>
<p>But, the perfect example of Chuck and the way he looks at life is right there on the back of  his car, his registration tag, which simply reads&#8230;. &#8220;Gimpy&#8221;. The humor in that one word sums up the man that&#8217;s sitting the wheelchair inside that van.</p>
<p>When you hear Chucks life story, you can&#8217;t help but wonder what it would have been had he been physically &#8216;normal&#8217;, personally I don&#8217;t think he would have been as colorful, as funny.. and unique, what God took, he gave back in other ways.  The stories he can tell you about how his father scared him with a tarantula, how because of the &#8216;fear&#8217; practical jokes his father would play on him, he &#8216;accidentally&#8217; hit his father in the head with hammer to save his older brother, the teenage girl who peed on his couch when a stuffed squirrel was thrown at her, and my family&#8217;s favorite.. when his poncho got stuck in the wheels of his wheelchair and he was stuck going in circles until his companions could stop laughing long enough to extricate him.. These are the stories that make him who he is and had he not had a debilitating disease, I wonder if would he have had the same sense of humor?</p>
<p>At one time Chuck was THE <a href="http://www.mda.org/" target="_blank">Jerry&#8217;s Kid</a>. His face graced many a magazine and poster. Not only was he part of the Jerry Lewis MDA Telethon&#8217;s we all used to sit around and watch all weekend, but he was also the youngest Jaycee and was an honorary member of the VFW. He&#8217;s made the best of what was given to him, but even with all of the support he was given by all of these great and selfless people and an amazing organization, if it wasn&#8217;t for the Medicaid/Medicare program, he wouldn&#8217;t have lived past his early teens.  The Muscular Dystrophy Association helps with what they can, but they are not equipped to deal with it all.</p>
<p>For people like Chuck, the idea of a private insurance is laughable.. to them, the idea that a government run system would destroy what this country was built on, is an insanity. It&#8217;s because of medicaid/medicare that people like Chuck aren&#8217;t regulated to some orphanage or ditch out behind the woodshed. It&#8217;s Medicare/Medicaid that pays for his medicine, his doctors, his wheelchair. It was medicaid that came into his house recently and installed rails on his ceiling for a &#8216;body lift&#8217; that can take him from his bed, to his toilet, to his bath. Until that day earlier this year when the rail was installed, Chuck  hasn&#8217;t had an actual &#8220;bath&#8221; in years. Showers and sponge baths, sure, but a tub bath? No.  He doesn&#8217;t measure life in grand increments, he&#8217;s never been able to, but to be able to finally sit down in a tub <em>was</em> a grand day for him.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until the other day that Chuck also found out just how horrible our system really is. Government run or not, he found himself in a pile of shit with no way out of it.   The sad part is that I&#8217;m not exaggerating or hyper-ventilating hyperbole..</p>
<p>Chuck&#8217;s mother moved in with him some years ago when it became apparent that he was going to start needing more intensive around the clock care. He&#8217;s been able to do for  himself for so many years, but his disease isn&#8217;t one that goes into remission or gets better over time, even the strongest or most lucky eventually fall victim to disappearing strength due the shrinking muscles. It&#8217;s because of his mother that he doesn&#8217;t need a daily visiting nurse, or God-forbid to live in an assisted living facility. It&#8217;s also in my opinion what has kept him going all these years, had she been like other parents who just couldn&#8217;t do it anymore and put him in a state run, or if by some stroke of luck, privately  funded assisted living care, disease and disregard would have killed him years ago. It&#8217;s not that these places would have necessarily treated him poorly,  but it&#8217;s just the nature of the beast that they zap  your will to live in small increments over time and then there is the spread of colds,flu&#8217;s and other disease that affects someone like Chuck so detrimentally and are so rampant in the close confines of these homes. Yes, it&#8217;s my belief that his mothers sacrifice all these years has lead to his longevity, not just in the extended  years of  his life, but in the <em>life</em> he has lived over the years. A nursing home would have curb his spirit, his joy, his imagination.. it would have killed what makes Chuck, Chuck.</p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago Chuck&#8217;s mom was struck by an acute illness that required emergency surgery, which required an extended hospital stay and a long convalescence at home. In other words, now she needed to be cared for and not only was Chuck unable to do this in return for her sacrifice all these years for him, but his physical capabilities have deteriorated so much that he was left wondering who was going to care for him.  He knew that his brother would come up and help him once, maybe twice a week, but he was also painfully aware that there were going to be times when he would be in need of assistance and no one would be there to help. I don&#8217;t mean in need of showers or baths, cooking food to eat, or help getting into bed. No, Chuck has learned to go without a bath or shower and use a washcloth, he&#8217;s learned to eat whatever is handy in his line of reach, and as for sleeping.. well he can just roll his chair up to the dining room table and rest his head on his arms and get a few winks that way.  Things we all take for granted, things that are the extreme of simple to us.. well, he&#8217;s found his way to enjoy also. No, the help I am talking about is our own basic body functions..  urination and defecation.  Chuck has found a way around those too, he just stops eating and drinking.  But even this is not perfection.</p>
<p>Because he knew that he was going to need just a few minutes help each week until his mother had recovered, he called his medicaid office to ask for a visiting nurse or nursing assistant to come out 30 minutes a week to help him. Before I go any farther I want you to think about that. Try for a minute to think if you could limit yourself to a bathroom break at a predestined time, once or maybe twice during a 7 day period.  Do you have that kind of control, do you think it would be easy on a Monday to just say to  yourself  <em>&#8220;Ok, I can&#8217;t poop again until Thursday at 9am&#8221;</em> .  Welcome to Chuck&#8217;s world.</p>
<p>When he made his request to the insurance office, he didn&#8217;t ask for someone to come out every other day and bathe him, or every day to help him  on the toilet. Like I said, those things he&#8217;s been able to curb by not eating or drinking. But even the best starvation doesn&#8217;t keep you from having to use the bathroom for an entire week and he knew that. So Chuck&#8217;s humble request was for someone to come out once a week and help him with that problem, the rest of the time he would ration his food and drink and &#8216;hold it&#8217; until his brother could come up on the weekend. The medicaid representative  was very helpful, she understood what he needed and told him she had just the thing for him.. a 90 day stay in an assisted living facility. Now, besides this being a death sentence for someone in Chucks condition, it was an absurdity to him because he didn&#8217;t need that kind of help, he just needed someone to come out and help him in and out of his chair for a couple minutes a week. He explained this again to the woman on the phone, but as sympathetic as she was, she couldn&#8217;t give him a visiting nurse or CNA.. she could only give him a 90 stay at his local old-folks home. Chuck, understandable upset, refused and then started the process of limiting his food,water and &#8216;holding it&#8217;&#8230;. and he almost made it.</p>
<p>It had only been a few days, he&#8217;d gone longer in the past, but whether it was something he ate that didn&#8217;t agree with him or whether nature just had to take it&#8217;s course, he failed in his attempted to not soil himself. It wasn&#8217;t much, just a little bit of a bowel movement, but it was enough that he knew he was sitting in his own shit and worse than that, there was nothing he could do about it anytime soon. Even if his brother came up right then, he was an hour away and Chuck would be sitting there in his own mess the whole time, and that is exactly what happened.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that even the most &#8217;shy&#8217; of us reach a point where it doesn&#8217;t matter who sees or smells what, we just need help and we need it right then. That&#8217;s the place were Chuck was, sitting in his own shit, waiting for his brother to come up and help wash him up. Help wash the area on Chuck off, was his clothes off and wash his chair off. What a humbling experience this must have been, it had to have the most humbling hour of his life. But it eventually came to the point where he didn&#8217;t care who came in and saw or smelled what&#8230; he just wanted help. He found out those moments waiting for his brother to come up and clean him, just what it meant that he was disabled. I&#8217;m know that through the years there had to be many other moments that came up and made him realize this fact, but I&#8217;m not sure that any humiliated him the way this time did.</p>
<p>The next day he again called and begged the insurance company for 1-30 minute visit a week so he could avoid a repeat of the day before, he was again denied. They would of course be happy to spend tens of thousands of dollars for him to<em> unnecessarily</em> stay in a 24 hr facility for 90 days, but no. .. they would not under any circumstances pay  $50-$75 a week for 5-6 weeks for a nurse to come to his home.</p>
<p>&#8230;and people say reform is not needed, that there is no waste in healthcare, that to cut any unnecessary procedures means a &#8216;rationing&#8217; of care, that doctors don&#8217;t prescribe  that which is unnecessary over that which is needed in the name of greed and the all mighty dollar?</p>
<p>Chuck&#8217;s story has ended well, he finally got a hold of a worker who would listened to his sense that he didn&#8217;t need a 90 day,thousands of dollars treatment&#8230; he just need a 30 minute weekly visit. She set him up with not one, but 2 visits a week.</p>
<p>Whether it&#8217;s medicare,medicaid or private insurance.. reform is needed.  Had Chuck decided to take the medicaid office up on it&#8217;s offer, thousands of dollars would have been wasted when only a couple hundred were all that was needed. Those thousands could have gone to someone else care instead, someone who didn&#8217;t have insurance.. or 100 someone&#8217;s without insurance but in need of a flu shot this season. There are a million different ways that money could have been used properly, but because it is a Democrat asking for that reform, the psycho &#8216;right&#8217; has an apoplectic  fit about him wanting to pull the plug on grandma, him wanting to stop seniors from getting hip-replacements and heart surgery or him wanting to kill of  the &#8216;damaged&#8217; children of our society.</p>
<p>When a party says that the President who wants to talk to kids about the value of eduction and to stay in school is really trying to &#8216;indoctrinate&#8217; them into a new version of &#8216;Hitler&#8217;s Youth&#8217;.. it&#8217;s time the adults stand up and tell these crazies to shut the fuck up already&#8230;the adults on <em>both </em>sides of the aisle. The sad part is the GOP&#8217;s lack of caring in all that is going on.  Some know that the fringe they are courting and allowing into the debate field are as bat-shit crazy as they come, but they know that they are also so desperate for an answer that if the Liberals are distracted enough by the insanity, they themselves will have time to actually come up with that answer. The crazies will eventually be throw out of the party,  the Conservatives aren&#8217;t that stupid, but until then the rest of will just sit in our chairs&#8230; not eating.. not drinking.. and praying that we don&#8217;t shit ourselves before our brother comes to rescue us from situation that we can&#8217;t just &#8216;pull our boot-straps up&#8217; and get out of on our own.</p>
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&#8220;Fear here&#8230; I got fear here&#8230; 1 trillion dollars&#8230; get your fear&#8230;&#8220;
sorry, 900 billion&#8230; like any of us really know the difference&#8230;
So, is Obama simply repeating the mistakes of Bush II by selling important things to the American people with fear?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a great discussion going on on the <a href="http://muchedumbre.com/" target="_blank">muchedumbre</a> forum..</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em><a href="http://muchedumbre.com/forum/index.php/topic,25158.msg398724.html#msg398724" target="_blank">&#8220;Fear here&#8230; I got fear here&#8230; 1 trillion dollars&#8230; get your fear&#8230;</a>&#8220;</em></strong></p>
<p><em>sorry, 900 billion&#8230; like any of us really know the difference&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>So, is Obama simply repeating the mistakes of Bush II by selling important things to the American people with fear?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>fear here, fear now.. we must stop it.</p>
<p>Well, we must stop it when it is President Obama doing the mongering, when it is a Democrat&#8217;s agenda, when it is an issue that 70% of the country&#8217;s population want.</p>
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<p>We are being led to believe that the &#8216;fear&#8217; the President it &#8216;mongering&#8217; on the rise of insurance prices, the crippling effect that the uninsured have on the medical system, and the eventual crash of medicare/medicaid  is just fanciful and over-the-top unnecessary rhetoric. But this isn&#8217;t about the country, this isn&#8217;t about helping the 70% majority get what they are begging for,the Republican&#8217;s  <em>only</em> goal here is to stop Obama by ending his hope of healthcare for everyone. The idea behind  stopping the healthcare reform the President is asking for is that it will  bring his popularity down enough for Republicans to  hope for a chance to win a majority of congressional elections is 2010. This isn&#8217;t about you or me to the Republicans, this is about beating Obama and winning congressional seats. Just ask Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK). <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/23/inhofe-health-huge-gain/" target="_blank">He isn&#8217;t afraid to admit </a>the Republican agenda.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>&#8220;When you tell people that the mortality rate in Canada is 25% higher for breast cancer, 18% higher for prostate cancer, you know, they say why in the world would we emulate a system like that?&#8221;</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Of course they are telling them a lie, because that is not the system we are trying to emulate.. but what good is a little truth when your goal is fear. Why bother with the truth when the  <a href="http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/23404.html" target="_blank">the mortality rate for mortality is 3% higher</a> in the United States than Canada? Because then, you lose your argument all together.</p>
<p>This idea of pretending that our healthcare system would suffer or the bonus-cuts the poor and destitute health insurance CEO&#8217;s would have to endure are not the issue, is ridiculous. The issue is to do what it takes to win at all costs.</p>
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<p style="text-align: right;"><em><strong>&#8220;I just hope the President keeps talking about it, keeps trying to rush it through. We can stall it. And that’s going to be a huge gain for those of us who want to turn this thing over in the 2010 election.&#8221;<strong>-</strong></strong></em><strong>Sen. James Inhofe</strong></p>
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<p>The majority of us who support a public plan and are willing to pay for it, are sadly not as important as those who donate millions to coffers of our elected officials both Democrat and Republican. Oddly enough, the <a href="http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009/06/baucusled-coalition-receives-h.html" target="_blank">ones taking the most money from Phamra and Big Insurance</a> are the one blocking reform by calling for bi-partisanship. Which in this case means a bill so watered down and useless that it will do more harm than good. And yet to call them on this, to explain the immediate need for reform, to try and give a democracy what it&#8217;s demanding.. is to be out there &#8216;fear mongering&#8217; and scaring the public and this just isn&#8217;t to be born!</p>
<p>We had to wire-tap our own citizens <em>for fear</em> that the terrorists were  making covert plans over the wires.</p>
<p>We had to torture  subjects who were captured <em>for fear</em> that they might  know something. In order to do that though, we had to change the wording of strict Geneva convention guidelines to change these POW&#8217;s into &#8216;enemy combatant&#8217; <em>for fear</em> that the laws may protect them.</p>
<p>We had to detain  combatants  in secret holding facilities all over the world <em>for fear</em> that they would escape or worse, join together and become a &#8217;super-terrorist cell&#8217;.</p>
<p>We could not try these combatants  in our own courts on our own soil<em> for fear</em> that they would  get off and be released into the population and begin collaborating with one another on another attack.</p>
<p>We could not house these combatants in our own maximum security prison system <em>for fear</em> that they may do what no one else has done, and escape.. or <em>for fear</em> that they would join in with the other extremely dangerous inmates housed with them and created new terrorists  networks.</p>
<p>We were even told to vote for the Republicans because they tried  to make us <em>fear</em> that they were the only one capable of keeping us safe in these uncertain times.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s telling that when these issue were brought up and the fear mongering was pointed at as an unnecessary tactic, he reply from the same people complaining about the supposed fear mongering President Obama is spreading, was <strong><strong> </strong></strong></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><em>&#8220;So the Prez tells you stuff that you don&#8217;t like and don&#8217;t want to hear, and for his trouble of actually treating you like an adult and not sugar coating it, you call it &#8220;fear mongering.&#8221;</em></p>
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<blockquote><p><em>It&#8217;s legitimate and warrants some extra consideration.</em><strong><strong>&#8220;</strong></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s almost as &#8220;fair&#8221; as the people deciding the fate of the health reform being recipients of millions of dollars from the insurance companies&#8230; but not quite.</p>
<p>The scary idea that some Republicans are trying to make into some kind of truth, that once this reform is enacted, our elderly will be put out to pasture, is some of the most ridiculous and preposterous yet to be voiced in this debate. In country where a doctor is criminally punished for aiding terminal patients with only hours to live in excruciating pain, it&#8217;s asinine to believe that we would all of a sudden kill off an entire segment of our population. But fear is what the Republicans peddle to get their way, even if their way goes against what 72% of the population and 50% of their constituents are asking for.</p>
<p>The scariest part of all.. is that we and the Democrats in Congress will let them get away with it.</p>
<p>The only thing there is to fear here is the money Republicans and some Democrats will lose from the Health sector if they don&#8217;t get out and pimp for them now.</p>
<p>Oh&#8230;and to the Republicans who complain that bureaucrats should not be involved in the decisions between a doctor and patient, first I ask, is the  17 year old high school student working after school and weekends at the insurance call center denying  the care your physician is asking for now, doing that job any better?.. and then I say to those crying a whoa is me over politicians not being a deciding factor in the doctor/patient conversation.. Thank You for joining the &#8216;Pro-choice&#8217; movement, the &#8216;Pro-medicinal marijuana&#8217; movement and the &#8216;pro-assisted suicide&#8217; movement, can we count on your support in 2010?</p>
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Will you help me?
-I’m desperate and really need some help. I don’t know what to do so I am appealing to anyone who reads this. My sister is missing.  We have not heard from her in a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another edition&nbsp; of&#8230; Friday Rewind.</p>
<p>I think this weeks talking points, make this rewind apropos..</p>
<p>So without further ado,</p>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><a class="zem_olink" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/23/politics/main5182737.shtml">Will you help me?</a></h4>
<p><em>-I’m desperate and really need some help. I don’t know what to do so I am appealing to anyone who reads this. My sister is missing.  We have not heard from her in a few days and it is not like her to just take off. We are organizing a search for her Monday morning in the woods around her home in Brevard County.    My family and I are not wealthy and we don’t know how long we can sustain our economic livelihood during this time since the worry and stress make us unable to work, if you would like to help we have set up a fund at any Wachovia bank.-</em></p>
<p><em>-I’ve lost everything. I tried to evacuate but I am not a wealthy person and I don’t have a car. I don’t know what I am going to do, I have nothing. I lost my entire life in the flood, I can’t work because my job was washed away. I believe there is a fund where you can send donations, please…. Please for the love of God help me.-</em></p>
<p><em>-My cousin went to Aruba for graduation. She only drank a little and only did a little drugs, and went home with 3 boys she had just met. She’s missing now and we just know she was raped and murdered. I am a wealthy woman, I can afford to fly back and forth from my home to Aruba, but I don’t know how long I can do this. I will NOT leave my suite at  the local 5 star hotel room where I am comp’d my meals, transportation, alcohol, and clothes, until she us found. If you would like to help me in this trying time, there is a fund set up at any local bank.-</em></p>
<p><em>-My 82 year old maid will be signing autographs today, there will be a donation bowl on the table. Thank you for making an old woman&#8217;s day.-</em></p>
<p><em>-My father was killed in a terrorist attack. I don’t know what I am going to do with out him. Please send money to help me thru this trying time.-</em></p>
<p><em>Please help me, my job does not offer healthcare, my husbands job does offer it but the monthly premiums are over $800 for a family of four. I have some medical issues that I really need to see a doctor about. Neither of my kids have seen a doctor for a well-check in over 4 years. When they are sick or injured, even if it is just a case of strep throat I have to take them to the ER because I cannot afford  to pay the doctor visit at the time of service. If my kids would only get sick or injured before I pay the mortgage and utilities things would be a lot easier.  My husband and my combined income is over $50k a year so we do not qualify for any Medicaid and we are not old enough for Medicare..   Is there anything, anything at all you can do to help me?<br />
</em><br />
Which one of these will get the most help?  Which will get the least? If we banded together as a race of humans, which would help all of us more in the long run?  Which one will we just roll our eyes and tell the person to get a better job and stop asking for the government to supplement you?</p>
<p>Why is that? Why can we, as Americans, be so giving when see or hear of a disaster?</p>
<p><em>Tsunami a world away? No problem we can band together and donate 100’s of millions.</em></p>
<p><em> 9/11 attack? Oh my god how horrible,  and NO Timmy you can’t have an ice cream today because I have to send money to those poor people who had families in the buildings.</em></p>
<p><em>Your child is missing? How can I help?  I can take some days off work and drive over to your county to help you search anytime I can.<br />
</em></p>
<p>Yet be so Goddamn stingy when it comes to helping people who didn&#8217;t have a building fall on them.<br />
<em>No healthcare? Well  get a job you dead-beat subhuman.</em></p>
<p>The one thing we can help everyone in the country on is the one thing we will complain about giving money to. It’s Charity for the unworthy, it’s Socialism at its finest, it’s taking my hard earned money and giving to the lazy drunks of the world.</p>
<p>We’re not unfeeling. We give when there is a cause to give. Just look at this list and see how giving we can be</p>
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<li>September 11th Victim Compensation Fund paid out approx $7 billion to the families</li>
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<li>September 11th Fund collected and dispersed an additional $534 million from more than two million donors</li>
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<li>$950m from the US Government to the Tsunami victims</li>
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<li>An additional $515m  donated by the private sector for the Tsunami relief fund</li>
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<li>$800m for hurricane Katrina relief in just the first 2 weeks</li>
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<li>$7m donated to Virginia Tech Memorial Fund after the shootings</li>
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<p>And a rumored <em>$20m donated </em>to the Natalie Holloway Fund for her  mother, friends, family, searchers and friends of searchers. Even  though they were all comp’d everything from their plane tickets to Aruba to the bathing suits and the Gucci sunglasses  they needed.</p>
<p>See, we’re not heartless…</p>
<p>So why is it <em>‘Welfare’ </em>when we want to help a single mother and <em>‘Socialism’ </em>when we want to help anyone who is a part of this country?    If you added up all of those donations it seems to be you would have nice start to paying for Universal Healthcare.</p>
<p>Cuba doesn’t have a car newer than 1965 or anything  but corrugated metal roofs on their hut homes… but they have universal healthcare.</p>
<p>France, Italy, Britain, Canada…. All have universal health care. The argument here against it, is that healthcare would decline if we switched. Well, the World Health Organization already ranks us  37th   in healthcare, which is below places like Costa Rica, Columbia and Dominica. When we’re ranked below a place such as Columbia does it matter if we decline any more?   What’s the worst that can happen?  That we only rank up there with Canada (30)? Or that we rank below Slovenia (38)?</p>
<p>France is number 1 and Italy is number 2 on the WHO’s list.  Sure they pay more taxes to be number 1 and 2, but is that such a big deal?  We donated $20m to a mother who lost her daughter when she went out and got shit-faced and went home with 3 men she had never met. We paid $7 million to people affected by a shooting in Virginia. We don’t seem to mind when we pay for stuff like this, so what the hell is wrong with paying for a universal healthcare plan that will improve everyone’s health?</p>
<p>It’s not Socialism or Welfare when we give when we want to. It’s the Christian thing to do.   So why isn’t Christian to help some of the 45 million people in this country without healthcare?</p>
<p>What’s the worst that can happen? Will homes suddenly be foreclosed on in record numbers? Will gas prices suddenly rise? Will milk go up to $4.89 a gallon? Will one pain pill cost $60? Will the cost of an MRI go up over $2400 or will a hospital ER visit take longer? What’s the worst that can happen???? Besides the insurance and pharma companies making  $2B in profit instead of $3B and the middle class living a healthier life&#8230;.what IS the downfall to making sure every American has the right to Life, Liberty and a Free pap smear and colorectal exam?<br />
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		<title>Does this mean he failed?- Chrysler and others pay back TARP loan.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m sitting here refreshing Drudge and Cnn while simultaneously flipping through all the headline news shows&#8230; and no hoopla!
You&#8217;d think with months of screaming, ranting,crying, and those  tea-parties, someone would have mentioned that we are now  &#8216;less Socialistic&#8217; &#8230;
If I could stomach listening to Boss Limbaugh, I would see if he was sweating and dancing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sitting here refreshing<a href="http://www.drudgereport.com/" target="_blank"> Drudge</a> and <a href="http://www.cnn.com/" target="_blank">Cnn</a> while simultaneously flipping through all the headline news shows&#8230; and no hoopla!</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think with months of screaming, ranting,<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er44vr33XIo" target="_blank">crying</a>, and those  tea-parties, someone would have mentioned that we are now  &#8216;less Socialistic&#8217; &#8230;</p>
<p>If I could stomach listening to Boss Limbaugh, I would see if he was sweating and dancing to the tune of Beck&#8217;s  &#8220;Loser&#8221;. Since President Obama has most certainly failed in his attempt to turn the <a class="zem_slink" title="United States" rel="geolocation" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.8833333333,-77.0166666667&amp;spn=10.0,10.0&amp;q=38.8833333333,-77.0166666667%20%28United%20States%29&amp;t=h">USA</a> into the county of the New National Socialist Party,  with his ingenious take over of the banks and car companies.. whilst driving the rest of the country into the shittier by stealing our wealth and spreading it amongst the elites&#8230;</p>
<p>but nope, nothing.. instead I get the news from <a href="http://theworldofhowey.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">my favorite &#8216;Mo</a>&#8230;</p>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/bankruptcyNews/idUSN1428878920090714" target="_blank">Chrysler Financial</a> repays $1.5</h1>
<h1 style="text-align: center;">bln US gov&#8217;t loans</h1>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em>DETROIT, July 14 (Reuters) &#8211; Chrysler Financial said on Tuesday it has paid off $1.5 billion in loans it had received from the U.S. <a class="zem_slink" title="United States Department of the Treasury" rel="homepage" href="http://www.ustreas.gov/">Department of Treasury</a> in January to fund vehicle loans and incentive programs for Chrysler consumers&#8230;</em></p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/business/story/785838.html" target="_blank">BB&amp;T repays</a> TARP money</h1>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em>Seven months after it accepted $3.1 billion from the federal government, BB&amp;T Corp. – a longtime opponent of big government – repaid the money with interest Wednesday.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">$93 million in profit was made off that investment..<em> </em>Not too shabby in my opinion.</p>
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<h1 style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2009/04/13/daily44.html" target="_blank">FirstMerit repaying</a> TARP</h1>
<h1 style="text-align: center;">loan this month</h1>
<p style="text-align: right;"><em>An Ohio bank with more than a dozen branches in the region announced plans this week to repay the federal government’s more than $125 million investment under the <a class="zem_slink" title="Capital Purchase Program" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_Purchase_Program">Capital Purchase Program</a>.</em></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">In fact, if it had not been for <a href="http://theworldofhowey.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">the &#8216;mo</a>..and the 2nd story I never would have known that American Express, <a class="zem_slink" title="Bank of New York" rel="homepage" href="http://www.bnymellon.com/">Bank of New York</a> Mellon, Capital One, <a class="zem_slink" title="Goldman Sachs" rel="homepage" href="http://www.gs.com">Goldman Sachs</a>, <a class="zem_slink" title="JPMorgan Chase" rel="homepage" href="http://www.jpmorganchase.com">JPMorgan Chase</a>, Morgan <a class="zem_slink" title="Morgan Stanley" rel="homepage" href="http://www.morganstanley.com">Stanley</a>, Northern Trust, State Street and U.S. Bancorp <a href="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/business/story/785838.html" target="_blank">also announced that they had repaid their loans</a> from TARP, or the <a class="zem_slink" title="Troubled Assets Relief Program" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Assets_Relief_Program">Troubled Asset Relief Program</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I should be surprised that I haven&#8217;t heard anything from the biased and untrue liberal MSM.. right?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Then again, if the media really was a &#8216;liberal slanted monster&#8217; this would be on every headline news crawler and program just to rub it in to the faces of the Chicken Littles who were screaming that we were being taken over by our government&#8230;ironically while ignoring that were already  <a href="http://thevsj.com/the-special-powers-an-r-next-to-your-name-gives-you" target="_blank">&#8216;taken over&#8217; by our government</a>..</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I guess they are moving on to make more accusation about the Democrats evil attempt to bring socialism to the shores of the country by giving every baby born, <a href="http://thevsj.com/let-them-eat-cake-and-how-we-barter-in-human-life" target="_blank">house cleaner working</a>, and any one else who likes to choose things for themselves instead of having someone else choose for them, that deplorable option of&#8230;. Health Care. So like everything else we&#8217;ve seen ignored in the last week.. Chrysler&#8217;s repayment will go unnoticed because it&#8217;s easier to keep throwing the kitchen sink of accusations than it is to actually give it a minute to see if it just might work.. It&#8217;s more patriotic to wish failure for the Government attempt to stop the slide into another depression era than it is to say &#8220;OK, that was my bad.. Carry on&#8221;.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Anyway, thank you for the $93 million in profit BB&amp;T.. it was a pleasure doing business with you.. Come again soon.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ekg here&#8230;what you&#8217;re about to read is  what lil Mike and I do, this is where we are in our comfort zone and where we excel. It&#8217;s long, it&#8217;s tedious, but the final result is an all out information explosive.. We have done this kind of exchange for years on muchedumbre.com. When we started &#8216;blogging&#8217;, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ekg here&#8230;what you&#8217;re about to read is  what lil Mike and I do, this is where we are in our comfort zone and where we excel. It&#8217;s long, it&#8217;s tedious, but the final result is an all out information explosive.. We have done this kind of exchange for years on <a href="http://muchedumbre.com/forum" target="_blank">muchedumbre.com</a>. When we started <a href="http://muchedumbre.com/" target="_blank">&#8216;blogging&#8217;</a>, we forgot that which made us great&#8230; the quote/reply debate, because it&#8217;s hard to get into that sort of debate in a &#8216;blog-comment&#8217; section..</p>
<p>well, not anymore&#8230;</p>
<p>Here is my rebuttal to Lil Mike&#8217;s</p>
<h3><a href="http://thevsj.com/public-option-only-option" target="_blank">Public Option? -&gt; Only Option</a></h3>
<p>Feel free to join in the debate in the comment sections.</p>
<p>..</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #808000;"><strong>&#8221; But one thing is clear, if it’s going to be reform in any way that Obama and the far left of the Democratic Party care about, it’s got to have the “Public Option.”  Right now the administration is having it both ways.  On the one hand it’s saying that it has no intention of driving private insurers out of business, but on the other hand, reassuring <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/10/nation/na-healthcare10?pg=1">Congressional Democrats</a> that the President is still committed to having a public option as part of his vision of health care reform.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #808000;"><strong>Why the Public Option?  The formal answer was included in Obama’s <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Letter-from-President-Obama-to-Chairmen-Edward-M-Kennedy-and-Max-Baucus/">letter</a> to Senators Kennedy and Baucus:</strong></span></p>
<p align="center"><span style="color: #808000;"><strong>“I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest.”</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #808000;"><strong>Competition?  There are approximately <a href="../1300http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/19/AR2009061902334.html">1300</a> health insurance providers in the US.  Really, will 1301 really make the difference and suddenly lead to “a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest?”  That’s all it would take, just one more provider?  The idea is so ridiculous that you would have to be a White House journalist to buy it.&#8221;</strong></span></p></blockquote>
<p>Ok, will one more provider really make a difference? Absofuckinglutley!  Yes, 1300 companies offering the same shitty product would actually have to offer a better option if a bigger and better player came on to the scene. Your debate isn&#8217;t whether the Government <em>can</em> offer a product that will make the other companies provide a better choice, your argument is&#8230; <em>Should</em> the Government offer that product at all.. So let&#8217;s not play games with throwing in all this other stuff..</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #808000;"><strong>&#8220;What makes the public option the crown jewel of any health care reform plan?  It’s the camel’s nose under the tent for single payer government healthcare.  No, this isn’t just Republican scare-mongering.  I can hardly imagine any other conclusion for the insistence on a government healthcare plan.  And it’s easy to see how it would happen.  The logic is this:  One of the keys of health care reform is an <a href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v29n5/cpr29n5-1.html">individual mandate</a>, but you can’t very well have one if people cannot afford to buy health insurance, so you have to provide an option for people too poor to pay.  Enter the public option.  An <a href="http://www.lewin.com/content/publications/LewinCostandCoverageImpactsofPublicPlan-Alternative%20DesignOptions.pdf">analysis</a> of several public option scenarios shows that premiums could be 30 to 40 percent less than comparable private plans.  That of course hinges on the government paying reimbursement rates comparable to Medicare, which are 70-80 percent of what private insurers pay.&#8221;</strong></span></p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;">I read your <a href="http://www.lewin.com/content/publications/LewinCostandCoverageImpactsofPublicPlan-Alternative%20DesignOptions.pdf" target="_blank">Lewin Group PDF analysis</a> it was interesting.. until I <a href="http://www.healthjournalism.org/blog/2009/04/lewin-group-linked-to-private-insurers/" target="_blank">Googled them</a> and found out that..</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>Lewin Group is) part of Ingenix, which is owned by United Healthcare Group, the insurance behemoth that has been buying up insurance companies left and right, expanding its reach into just about every segment of the health-insurance market. Its flagship, UnitedHealthcare, helps make it the largest health insurer in the country. It’s a safe bet that United is not too keen on a public plan that might shrink its business</em>.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">
<p style="text-align: left;">Now I don&#8217;t find them credible in this discussion..Sorry about that but seriously, you wouldn&#8217;t allow me to use <a href="http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1856965,00.html" target="_blank">Rahm&#8217;s</a> notes as actual unbiased data would you?But let&#8217;s address this &#8216;fear-mongering&#8217; warpath scream of<strong> &#8220;Single Payer Healthcare-Oh My&#8221;</strong>..  Why is it that every time a Democrat tries to do anything you Pub&#8217;s start screaming<em> &#8216;Government take-over!&#8221; &#8220;Government Control&#8221; &#8220;States Right!&#8221;</em> and<em>&#8220;Give me Liberty&#8221;</em> , when after 8 years of massive <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2156397/" target="_blank">Government abuse</a>, <a href="http://op-ed.cloh.org/opinion/patriot-freedom-loss.html" target="_blank">Lenin-ish intrustion</a>, insane <a href="http://www.independent.org/newsroom/news_detail.asp?newsID=31" target="_blank">Government spending</a>,  and obscene <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/bovard/bovard11.html" target="_blank">Government entitlements</a> there was nothing but the sound-bite of &#8220;If you&#8217;re not with the President, you are with the terrorists&#8221; to anyone who raised a fart of a question?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">But now, Oh My God! We&#8217;re killing health care&#8230;!! We&#8217;re taxing people too much..!! Businesses will crumble..!!</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">really?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Did you know that <a href="http://www.ksgcase.harvard.edu/casetitle.asp?caseNo=1870.0" target="_blank">Bush&#8217;s medicare proposal</a> was&#8230;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>&#8230;aimed to inject market forces into Medicare by encouraging beneficiaries to enroll in government-subsidized private health plans that would compete directly with the traditional government-run, fee-for-service program. The drug benefit would be the chief inducement for seniors to make the switch to private plans.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Maybe I missed it, but were there Fox News sponsored Tea-parties for that?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Something else<a href="http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin214.htm" target="_blank"> I just found out</a> (by the way, this is why Mike and I do this so well&#8230; during our hunt for facts we often find other facts that come in handy in other debates) <em>&#8220;T</em><span style="font-family: Georgia;"><em>he Patriot Act and Department of Homeland          Security was the brainchild of one William Jefferson Clinton.&#8221; </em>Sure the website is a little nutty and over the top in it&#8217;s &#8216;doomsday&#8217; opinions, and in all seriousness I shouldn&#8217;t link it because you will use it against me, but what the hell.. it pretty much spells out everything I&#8217;m saying about what the Pubs were happy to do with a Pub leader and shit themselves when it&#8217;s a Democrat doing the same thing. Best of all, it does it with the same chicken-little hyperbole you guys are using now..<br />
</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: Georgia;">In short, Bush&#8217;s encouragement to beneficiaries to enroll out of their private plans and<em> into </em>the government plan didn&#8217;t bring about &#8220;Single-Payer Storm troopers&#8221; and neither will President Obama&#8217;s. But <em>if</em>&#8230; if it did, once again you can thank Bush for that ummm&#8230;camel nose under the tent&#8230; since he started the ball rolling&#8230; <img src='http://thevsj.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: Georgia;">Of course I loathe the &#8216;It&#8217;s Bush&#8217;s fault&#8221; argument.. It was fun for a few years there, but now it&#8217;s just old,crusty and only garners a slight roll of the eyes&#8230; The problem is, there are just so many fucking things that are his fault and you Pubs are just now finding that out because Obama is following in his footsteps on alot of them. So as loathsome as it is to say.. it&#8217;s still applicable.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Moving on&#8230;</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><strong><span style="font-family: Georgia;"><br />
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<p><strong><span style="color: #808000;">&#8220;So one of the ways the Obama plan controls costs is just by paying the doctors and hospitals less.  I’m sure that will make a great incentive for people to go into the medical field.  And who wouldn’t want to be taxed to subsidize their competitor?&#8221;</span></strong></p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;">
<p>President Obama will pay doctors less and therefore who would ever go into the med field.. An addendum to this argument is the.. <em>&#8220;we will become a 3rd world health care system because there will be no incentives (money) for research&#8221;</em>&#8230; OK 1st, we already are below many 3rd world countries when it comes to our health care and as for the rest? Well,  I can think of one disease that if it <a href="http://www.aegis.com/NEWS/NEWSDAY/1994/ND940702.html" target="_blank">wasn&#8217;t for the French</a>, not only would we still be calling it GRID, who knows when someone would have been able to isolate the AIDS retrovirus. Hell, it was a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_zur_Hausen" target="_blank">German who discovered</a> that HPV was the leading cause in cervical cancer&#8230;</p>
<p>As for being paid less? When did we lose that &#8216;country doctor&#8217; mentality of people becoming a doctor to help people? Was it around the same time insurance companies first started popping up? I&#8217;d really love to see a study on the correlation of the emergence of insurance companies and their control and doctors treating people less because it&#8217;s what they dream of doing and more to try and become a million by the time they are 30.</p>
<p>In short, I don&#8217;t know what President Obama&#8217;s plans on the pay scale for doctors and hospitals is. I know that right now we spend more money on administration costs than just about anything else. Medicare proves that you only need to spend 2% on admin costs and still function admirably.. $<a href="http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/11/14/14481.aspx" target="_blank">230 billion a year</a> is spent <em>in California alone</em> on administration costs, Obama&#8217;s plan cost less than 1/2 that for <span style="text-decoration: underline;">the entire country</span>.. so why those  massive saving would not trickle down throughout the system is beyond me.  To me, it would seem that if $25 from every $100 doctor visit that went to insurance administration now, was cut to $2, the doctor would be seeing a hell of alot better of a return.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><span style="color: #808000;">&#8220;First, the same analysis shows that depending on the premium rate for the public option, 119 million people could lose their private health insurance&#8230;If the public plan has lower premiums, what do they care what rate their doctor gets paid at?  Others would find themselves dumped.  Why would companies want the expense of maintaining their own health insurance coverage when a public plan can offer lower premiums?&#8221;</span></strong></p></blockquote>
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<p>I addressed this somewhat above when I brought Bush&#8217;s plan to get people off the private rolls and onto the public ones  to your attention already, but that&#8217;s not my argument against it, a bad plan is a bad plan no matter who the President is, something the <a href="http://thevsj.com/in-gop-we-trust" target="_blank">Republican  religion</a> doesn&#8217;t like to admit..My argument is this&#8230; I believe you are wrong.. those insurance companies will be forced to compete with the new plan.. they will have to offer something else, whether it be a lower premium or more coverage or an annual trip to Bermuda..whatever.. I mean do you seriously think they&#8217;ll just keel over and die? Hell no, they&#8217;ll find something that their competitor doesn&#8217;t have and offer it..</p>
<p>Back in the 90&#8217;s I was fired for being pregnant, lost my insurance(not that I had prenatal anyway), and was forced to go on Medicaid. HMO&#8217;s were exploding at that time and you were forced to pick either an HMO or straight medicaid. There was many HMO&#8217;s to chose from  and they all pretty much offered the same plans as each other and medicaid but since there was competition, the HMO&#8217;s decided to offer other incentives to get people to enroll in their plan. It was piddly shit like  children vitamins each month with this one, free contacts with that one, free vitamins,contacts and bubble gum with the other..(ok, not really on the bubble gum.. but you get the point).. the catch was you had to use their doctors,their hospitals and their pharmacies. Or you could stick with medicaid and go with pretty much whoever you wanted. I liked my doctor and she took medicaid so I chose that path. So when you tell me that a government sponsored plan will not only force people out of their private plan but will force private plans to close up shop and move away.. I laugh! These companies want to succeed today just as much as they want to succeed tomorrow and they will find a way to entice employers to keep paying them.. Whether that be free vitamins or a free trip to Bora-Bora for the employer who signs up the most employees onto their plan.Most, if not all, will adapt and  survive&#8230; and those that don&#8217;t? Well, you don&#8217;t mind when they fall in a full capitalistic society do you?</p>
<p>So why is a Public plan the only option? Because without it there is no change.. With it there is a crack in the monopoly-like hold insurance companies have on this country and it&#8217;s leaders. They have never had to worry about regulation and competition before and now they are throwing out all the buzz words that make  conservative hard.. &#8220;Socialism&#8221;..&#8221;Government sponsored&#8221;..&#8221;Government entitlement&#8221;&#8230; and to that I say Pshaw! Look what the debate has already done for health care&#8230; before a person <a href="http://thevsj.com/forgot-the-flying-car-we-were-promised-and-just-give-us-healthcare" target="_blank">was actually denied  treatment for her cancer</a> because her insurance company said an outbreak of pimples in her past constituted a &#8216;pre-existing conditions&#8217;.Pimples!  But now all of a sudden insurance companies are screaming that sure,  they can get rid of the pre-existing conditions clause. The debate alone is forcing other companies to offer <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/06/business/fi-insure-women6" target="_blank">more benefits at a lower cost to women in some states</a>.. The debate alone is changing health care for the better.. If the debate is cleaning up health care and the conglomerate-do-as-they-please  hold on health care that the insurance companies have.. then I am encouraged as to what an actual Public Plan will be able to do.</p>
<p>So, the cost factor? One state already pays 1 and 1/2 times more for just the administrative costs than the public plan for an entire country.</p>
<p>The reduction of doctor&#8217;s fee and hospital costs? The savings from the decrease in administration costs should increase what the medical providers see.</p>
<p>The loss of research and cutting edge medicine? You walk into the  Pasteur Institute and tell them they&#8217;re a 2nd tier institute.</p>
<p>Socialism? Please.. George Socialist Bush!</p>
<p>The loss of a free market? No, more like the opening of a closed market and forcing it to become competitive to survive..</p>
<p>Yes&#8230; <a href="http://thevsj.com/public-option-only-option" target="_blank">Public Option? is the <em>only </em>Option</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have had the honor and horror of watching both ends of the health care spectrum over the last couple of weeks. My grandmother, who is 86, has spent 17 of the last 22 days in the hospital. The first go around was because her lung collapsed from an injection given in the wrong place. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had the honor and horror of watching both ends of the <a class="zem_slink" title="Health care" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care">health care</a> spectrum over the last couple of weeks. My grandmother, who is 86, has spent 17 of the last 22 days in the <a class="zem_slink" title="Hospitals" rel="wikinvest" href="http://www.wikinvest.com/industry/Hospitals">hospital</a>. The first go around was because her lung collapsed from an injection given in the wrong place. The end result of that stay was a new prescription of coumadin, a <a class="zem_slink" title="Anticoagulant" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticoagulant">blood thinner,</a> to keep her from having a <a class="zem_slink" title="Stroke" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroke">stroke</a> from the collapsed lung. The second and current reason is that after a few days of coumadin she started feeling extremely sick and dizzy, the hospital did a few tests and found a <a class="zem_slink" title="Thrombus" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrombus">blood clot</a> on her brain. She had fallen a few weeks ago, she was fine after the fall but apparently she suffered a pretty bad <a class="zem_slink" title="Bruise" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruise">bruising</a> that normally would have healed on it&#8217;s own, but which the blood thinner  had since made</p>
<p><img class="alignright" src="http://www.hcd09.com/Media/DesignSlideShowPages/Holmes2.jpg" alt="" width="240" height="163" /></p>
<p>it worse because it made injury bleed a little more.</p>
<p>She is doing fine by the way.. or as fine as an 86 year old, end stage <a class="zem_slink" title="Renal failure" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renal_failure">renal failure</a>, 3 days a week <a class="zem_slink" title="Dialysis" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialysis">dialysis</a> patient with a recently re-inflated lung and a blood clot on her brain would be expected to be doing. This isn&#8217;t about her as much as it&#8217;s about the specrum of health care in this country.</p>
<p>My grandmother has spend most of her time in the hospital in the  brand new section called the &#8220;<span>The Heart Center</span>&#8220;. They offer more of a personal and intensive medical service, not too mention all the comfort of a 4-star hotel. The &#8217;suite&#8217; she is in really is better than most hotels I&#8217;ve stayed at. I&#8217;m not complaining about her treatment or her room or any of the other services she has been fortunate to receive. In fact just the opposite. I have been completely impressed with this new section of the hospital. When they decided to call the rooms &#8217;suites&#8217; they didn&#8217;t exaggerate. The rooms are the size of a normal 2 patient room, but they are private with hardwood floors,wood wainscoting and cabinetry. There is a personal desk that has all the &#8216;technological&#8217; necessities such as an internet port,cell phone charger hook up, iPod/mp3 port, there is even a personal fan and temperature control. Finally a medium size <a class="zem_slink" title="Plasma display" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display">plasma-screen tv</a> and DVD player for each room.</p>
<p>For visitors the suite offers recliners, extremely  comfortable chairs and a couch that makes into a bed. Oh, did I mention the view of the river?<img class="alignright" src="http://www.atyourservices.com/images/Sunset.jpg" alt="" width="360" height="203" /></p>
<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.hcd09.com/Media/DesignSlideShowPages/Holmes3.jpg" alt="" width="240" height="175" /></p>
<p>Yes, the &#8220;Heart Center&#8221; is a top of the line stay for anyone who is lucky enough to get sick and admitted to it and I am glad that her stay has been as comfortable as it has.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know much about insurances, but I know that she has<br />
<a href="http://www.military.com/benefits/tricare/tricare-for-life/tricare-for-life-and-dual-eligibility" target="_blank">&#8220;Tri-care for life&#8221;</a> add that in with their medicare and both of my grandparents haven&#8217;t a care in the world when it comes to health care and I am thankful for this. They are of the &#8216;<a class="zem_slink" title="Greatest Generation" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greatest_Generation">Greatest Generation</a>&#8216; who were asked by their country to sacrifice and serve and they stepped up and happily did their duty.  They deserve to be cared for in the older years.</p>
<p>But compare my grandmother&#8217;s care to that of her house cleaner&#8217;s. I know there is a stigma attached to the  &#8216;house cleaners&#8217; as somehow being beneath us in some way, but I think that&#8217;s because we&#8217;ve never really thought about them. I want you to take a minute and do just that. If you have a house cleaner she probably spends 2-4 hrs at your house every 1-2 weeks doing the things for you that you don&#8217;t want to do. You pay her to vacuum,dust,pick up the <a class="zem_slink" title="Living room" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_room">living room</a> and not only do you pay her $20-25 a hour to do your job for you, but <em>you</em> are not her only client. If she spends 4 hrs at your house she still has enough time, to do another 4 hours house and at $25 an hour.. well she just made $200 that day to do something a simple as cleaning your kitchen. No, I don&#8217;t believe house cleaners are beneath us, I believe they are smarter than any of us give them credit for. They wear whatever they want to work,they are their own boss working their own hours, telling people which product to buy them so they can use. They work in comfortable climates and pretty much have the run of your home while they are there, watching tv and listening to your radio as they go.  A good one, with an established clientele and the time to work a 10-12hr day can make as much as $1500 a week for their uneducated labor. Yes, <em>we</em> are beneath them in them grand scheme of things.</p>
<p>My grandmothers house cleaner was a family friend who started her business very late in  life. She had been married and was never required to work or pay her own bills but one day her husband decided to take off and live with his new girlfriend and Dot was left with nothing to turn to, so she did the only thing she knew&#8230; she cleaned houses. She was just starting to get back on her feet again when she was diagnosed with <a class="zem_slink" title="Pancreatic cancer" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancreatic_cancer">pancreatic cancer</a>. It was a devastating diagnosis because there is no recovery and the outlook is a fast and painful <a class="zem_slink" title="Death" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death">death</a>. That wasn&#8217;t the problem though. She had no money to stop working and she had no insurance to cover her. She was building up to all of these creature comforts and just hadn&#8217;t had the time to get there yet, another year maybe and she would have attained some of what the rest of us take for granted. But that still wasn&#8217;t her problem, her problem was that she wasn&#8217;t going to die fast enough.</p>
<p>Because her type of work depends on her actually working, she couldn&#8217;t take days off, because while she was diagnosed to die within the next 6-9 months, she still needed to pay her mortgage, utilities,food, car payments, gas and then if anything was left after that, her prescriptions and other medical costs. Her doctor of course tried to get her into the public health systemts but unfortunately she made too much money to qualify and if she were to reduce her income she wouldn&#8217;t be able to survive. Her doctor, knowing that she had nothing, spent hours calling around to various hosiptals in and out of the state to see if he could find anyone to give their time to her for free so that she could be treated in some way or helped in some way to die in whatever peace she could.</p>
<p>He couldn&#8217;t find anyone out there willing to help.</p>
<p>Dot didn&#8217;t let any of this phase her, it was what it was and that&#8217;s all there was to it. She did finally find another house cleaner to take on her work and split the pay with her. The house cleaner she found had to drop many of her full-paying clients in order to take on Dot&#8217;s clients for 1/2 the price she was getting on her own, but even at 1/2 the price she could survive and she knew that at that point Dot didn&#8217;t have much time left anyway so she wouldn&#8217;t working at the reduced rate for long.</p>
<p>After buying her own pain medication and paying to keep her electric on, Dot didn&#8217;t really have much money left over. She was approved for hospice towards the end but that was of littel comfort since she only lived 5 days in their care. Through it all Dot never cried about the pain she was living through or the predicament she was in. She was proud of what she had accomplished after her husband left her without a penny and all the monthly bills. She didn&#8217;t cry that she had been forced from the home she had shared with her husband because she could no longer afford it, she was proud of the 2 bedroom cottage she fixed up with the money she made from her job. She had started from nothing, lost everything and had built up a pretty decent life-style all on her own when most people at that time of  their lives are starting to wind down and think of the vacations they will take when they retire in the next few years. No, Dot never asked &#8220;why me&#8221; or &#8220;who will help me&#8221;.. And Sherry, the cleaner Dot  got to work for her, never complained when she had to trade in her car for a cheaper one or when she had to put off paying for her own daughters wedding. Sherry sacrificed her time and lively hood, her daughter&#8217;s wedding and many other things when she didn&#8217;t have to but it was just the &#8216;human&#8217; thing to do. I sometimes wonder if the doctors who told Dot&#8217;s physican that they just didn&#8217;t have the time to take on a non-paying patient or couldn&#8217;t afford to write off her care.. how would they feel if they heard that a relative stranger and lowly house-keeper stepped up and offered her sacrifice and service when they wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>There is a class-warfare going on in this country right now and it &#8217;s called &#8220;Health care&#8221;. I am more grateful than I can express at the coverage my grandparents receive. I know that if  they hadn&#8217;t had the great insurance that they have, they would have been dead a long time ago. But at the same time, I can&#8217;t help but ask.. why couldn&#8217;t Dot have had just a part of that golden coverage? Throughout time there has always been the &#8216;haves&#8217; and &#8216;have-nots&#8217; and there is nothing wrong with that. For it takes the &#8216;have-nots&#8217; to spur on new innovations and creativity.  It&#8217;s when you do without that you find out exactly what you are missing and you find a way to get it. Our country couldn&#8217;t have become the power it is had everybody been given everything equally. What do I want to &#8216;keep up with the Jones&#8217; for if they are going to get what I have given to them? Why do I want to work 80 hrs a week if Slacker-Billy is going to get a steak dinner and  comfortable roof over his head for working a 3rd of the hours. Why do I have to go to school and study,  then incur thousands of dollars of debt, when 1.0 GPA Sam is going to get the same things I am. I understand the tenants and the benefits of Free-Market Capitilism and I agree those who promote this type of lively-hood.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is&#8230; why does health care have to be one of those things that only the rich and insured are entitled to. Why is the  health of someone a pawn in the Political and Pundit game of &#8216;Capitalism V. Socialism&#8217;. It&#8217;s a person&#8217;s health. Not their education, status,wealth.. it&#8217;s their health, their vision, hearing.. <em>their life</em>.</p>
<p>Is there anyone out there that can explain to me why the ones who could have afforded to help Dot, ignored her plight and the one who couldn&#8217;t afford it sacrificed and helped a dying woman who did nothing wrong except be unable to afford a platinum health care policy? Or instead..  explain why we are forced to have platinum policies in the 1st place. We are not talking about giving a Rolex out for Christmas to every peon worker-bee we employ.. we&#8217;re talking about giving them doctor visit when they have a cold, giving them a shot when they are in pain, giving them a test to see what the blood in the toilet is from..or what the newly discovered lump on a breast is.. Who cares how we pay for it, seriously..who fucking cares!  We pay for the research of fruit flies sexual reproduction, we pay for prisoners and death row inmates to have better health care than 75% of our population, we pay for roads,bridges,statues, humanitarian aid to other countries.. Forget the money for once, if we were attacked tomorrow we would pay for the latest and greatest defense system..<strong> Forget the money for once<em>.</em>.</strong></p>
<p>There is a &#8216;let them eat cake&#8217; philosophy on people&#8217;s health.  .. <em>On their health!</em> Why?</p>
<p>Someone&#8230; anyone&#8230; Please tell me why a dollar&#8230; <em>your</em> dollar.. is worth more than a persons life? Because they didn&#8217;t work for it and you did? Because if they received the same benefit as you, well then you will just quit your job, give up everything else you have and live off the government tit? Would you really just decide to up and quit everything and go from Prince to Pauper just because everyone has health care?</p>
<p>Why are we bartering in human life? Instead of asking me how to pay for it, how about you tell me what I have to give up to help those around me.  We&#8217;ve been asked to sacrifice and serve this country before and many people stood up when asked, so tell us what we need to sacrifice now to save a human life.. Because I am done bartering with the souls of the people around me.. You tell me what a life costs and what I have to give up to save it and we&#8217;ll go from there.</p>
<p>What is the point of having these elite medical centers that could compete with a 4-start hotel, if most of the people living in this country can&#8217;t afford to use them?</p>
<p>Why have we let someone&#8217;s ability to be treated when they are sick, become the latest  status symbol of elitism?</p>
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