As for Howey…

Let’s follow this up. You used ThinkProgress as a source, I responded, and you critique my responses and sources with… wait for it…Yahoo Answers!

Wow Howey, ya got me! I can’t top Yahoo Answers.

So once again you’re being silly. Now as to your earlier point:

“This is where Chuck and I agree. The fact is that noone knows what’s caused climate change.
I don’t care what the cause is…mankind’s irresponsible use of our natural resources is destroying our planet and the futures of our children.
If we have the capacity to destroy, we have the capacity to fix. Let’s quit worrying about “who did it” and concentrate on “let’s fix it” before there’s nothing left to fix.
Inserting Swift Boat style discourse and Watergate style tactics (regarding the emails) merely cheapens the issue and makes the one issue out there that affects each and every man, woman, and child on this planet a political issue is fucking ridiculous.”

The cause does kind of matter. If climate change is due to totally natural causes (as I believe it is) then none of the things that you and Al Gore want to do to mitigate it will have any effect. So as far as the climate goes, in that case we are not “destroying the planet.”

If man is responsible, and every breath you exhale is pushing the climate temperature up, then none of the things that Al Gore and the UN want to do will be sufficient. We would have to totally dismantle industrial civilization, so anyone using electricity, purchasing any manufactured good, and eating anything that was transported out of the local area is a hypocrite. Considering the carbon generated to transport the delegates to Copenhagen, that would include all of the delegates there except for the Danish ones who biked there.
Unless of course you support geoengineering , like the idea I presented in my blog. There is a method of fixing it.

What say you? Sulfur dioxide for everyone?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080307085717AAQmadH

Love this comment!

“In short, the guy is clearly politically biased and inexperienced with interpreting data.”

and this one…

“He lists himself as a “futurist.” That term is nearly synonymous with crackpot in my experience. He’s another right-wing nutbar scared the UN bogeymen are coming for him.”

and this is telling…

“And you know, going off on a tangent, this is a common thread among the skeptic “scientists.” They moan and whine how they can’t get their papers published because everyone is against them. That is *not* the reason. Their papers don’t get published because there are fundamental errors in them. If they were not so rigid intellectually, they would fix the errors and then publish. The problem for them is that if they fix the errors, they conclusions are the direct opposite of what they want to show.”

This is where Chuck and I agree. The fact is that noone knows what’s caused climate change.

I don’t care what the cause is…mankind’s irresponsible use of our natural resources is destroying our planet and the futures of our children.

If we have the capacity to destroy, we have the capacity to fix. Let’s quit worrying about “who did it” and concentrate on “let’s fix it” before there’s nothing left to fix.

Inserting Swift Boat style discourse and Watergate style tactics (regarding the emails) merely cheapens the issue and makes the one issue out there that affects each and every man, woman, and child on this planet a political issue is fucking ridiculous.

common sense?

seriously, you agree that the earth is in essence a pretty balanced equation.. we have just enough of whatever chemicals to sustain our growth, our plants,waters,wildlife.. etc.. everything that distinguishes us from other planets.. some may have too little oxygen for example so they can’t sustain ‘life’ because their balance is off..

so if we’re adding more of something to that delicate balance.. how is it not harmful?

and btw, what would be the end result of this grand conspiracy.. if it works I mean.. what? that we are more efficient? we use less oil and thus have less need to have to suck the dick of a regime that is more ‘terroristic’ than the places where we are fighting wars? a place that is more oppressive than almost any other, that we actually build a society that uses renewable sources of energy like wind,solar,hydro [insert your fav renewable source here] and thus have less smog,less pollution,more forests,more sea life and generally a cleaner life for all?

I just can’t grasp how an end result like that is such a horrible idea.. but you fight so hard against it that it must be a truly evil idea..

so tell me what is the end game for this grand conspiracy that has involved every country on the planet, and just how in the hell even independent and unrelated agencies have all come to the same conclusions and their goal was _________?

it’s funny that you can’t look at the 9/11 conspiracy with even a hint of an unbiased eye just because the amount of people that would have to be involved would be astounding and all of them keeping quiet would be even more of a feat.. and yet you can simple say “Sure, the entire world colluded with one another to fool us Republican/Conservatives just so they could ______” (again, I don’t know what the ‘green’ end game is…)

Here are the authors on CSPAN:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/id/214460

Now Howey, I rue the day you introduced ekg to thinkprogress and those other leftie blogs. She used to use real news articles for reference. So in that way, you’re a bad influence. However I will accept even leftie blogs if they are properly sourced.

Now, this hottest decade thing flipped a few years ago, so it’s astounding to me that the old figures are still being used.

http://www.dailytech.com/Blogger+finds+Y2K+bug+in+NASA+Climate+Data/article8383.htm

“The warmest year on record is now 1934. 1998 (long trumpeted by the media as record-breaking) moves to second place. 1921 takes third. In fact, 5 of the 10 warmest years on record now all occur before World War II.”

And sea ice?

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=13834

“Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.
Ice levels had been tracking lower throughout much of 2008, but rapidly recovered in the last quarter. In fact, the rate of increase from September onward is the fastest rate of change on record, either upwards or downwards. ”And this looks like the sea ice is pretty stable to me.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

As far as “facts” from Al Gore, how about explaining this one? From Conan a few weeks ago:

Conan: Now, what about … you talk in the book about geothermal energy …
Al: Yeah, yeah.
Conan: and that is, as I understand it, using the heat that’s generated from the core of the earth …
Al: Yeah.
Conan: … to create energy, and it sounds to me like an evil plan by Lex Luthor to defeat Superman. Can you, can you tell me, is this a viable solution, geothermal energy ?
Al: It definitely is, and it’s a relatively new one. People think about geothermal energy — when they think about it at all — in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places, but two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, ’cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot …

Several million degrees? Come on!

Let’s say, for the sake of argument, the earth really is getting hotter every year. How would we know that the introduction of man made carbon dioxide is the cause? The only way we could tell would be to have computer models sophisticated enough…

… which we don’t.

Ah but what’s the use? You know that already if you read my blog or the CPU emails. But, like most believers, you’re not concerned with that. You’re only concerned with orthodoxy in your quaint little faith.

But I’m not trying to convince you really. At this point, I want you to continue to be a true believer. It will just make you look dumber when the world gradually wakes up from it’s Al Gore coma.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/09/climategate-swift/

“While the hacked e-mails may reveal that scientists might not have nice things to say about climate change deniers at times, they do nothing to change the scientific consensus that carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel use are raising temperatures and making oceans more acidic. As the right attempts to use the Climategate story to derail the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference this week, arctic sea ice is still at historically low levels, Australia is still on fire, the northern United Kingdom is still underwater, the world’s glaciers are still disappearing and today NOAA confirmed that not only is it the hottest decade in history, but 2009 was one of the hottest years in history. But how did the right-wing noise machine hijack the debate?”

Meanwhile, I’d like lilDick to explain this FACT from Gore:

“…the entire north polar icecap, which has been there for most of the last 3 million years, is disappearing before our eyes. Forty percent is already gone. The rest is expected to go completely within the next decade. What do they think is causing this?”